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Zoo Gone Wild Mafia
Topic Started: Feb 25 2014, 06:51 PM (945 Views)
Drake
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The Zoo fences have all been broken, and the animals are running free inside. The Zookeepers are tasked with containing the problem, but the animals have other plans…

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Another possibility is to make a ruling that the walls of the Zoo will collapse in “X” nights and the animals will be able to escape out into the general public, ending the game. Likely, it won’t work, but it would be an interesting twist to add if it can fit without making the game too villager-biased. Also there are a bucket-load of alternate roles that can be implemented like a snake(poisoner) or a parrot(snooper or newspaper thing).

As for the split I originally put 10/6/2, but this seems a bit to easy for the mafia to win. Perhaps 12/6/2 or 12/6/1 if we get rid of the Predator role

I haven't hosted a game yet, so I don't know too much about balance and stuff. Any help and feedback is greatly appreciated!

Edited by Drake, Feb 26 2014, 10:50 PM.
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I'd suggest making the Tiger kill every other night, because there is a great potential for an obscene amount of death on any one particular night. Probably stay away from Caged Predator, too.
As for split, if the ideal number of players is 18, I think a 12/5/1 split would make sense; for mafia to have six members, there'd probably need to be over 20 sign-ups.

Edit: Also, Watcher sees who visited a person on a given night, so the description doesn't really make sense to me...
Edited by Krugo, Feb 25 2014, 07:01 PM.
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The Caged Predator would be ridiculous. 2 extra kills at night means a minimum of three kills a night; add that to the fact that it only comes in later on means it would be ridiculously powerful.

Does the Monkey convert if it steals a mafia role?

When you say giraffe is a Watcher, do you mean Watcher or sees where the animal goes? The latter is a Tracker, but thats what the flavor makes it seem like you meant.

Wildebeast is an interesting concept; I cant say how effective it would be, because it wouldnt want to run before the village is organized. After, it basically becomes a one-time Vig that might hit several people.


For a game without a Doc, Mafia seems a bit strong. Yak to convert, Silencer, and a Stalker/Hooker teamup would be pretty strong.



Biggest issue is the Lion, though. N1, says "Im the Lion, claim to me". Anyone who doesnt claim is Mafia, since they wouldnt have gotten the message, village wins GG
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oops, I originally had him as cop, better fix that

Ok, so avoid obscenely large massacres.. got it lol

@Shadow31 Hmm good points.. I have some editing to do! I might have to change the lions role to a doctor then, (and maybe a different animal, lions are very nurturing). As for the Monkey, he would stay villager, but could utilize the role all the same, obviously the flavor would have to be adjusted, but the effect should be the same. And yes, the Predator was a stretch, especially in a game already as crowded as this, I guess I'll have to let it wait for a more appropriate game.
Edited by Drake, Feb 25 2014, 07:12 PM.
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Yeah, I think changing Lion to Doc would be a good idea, but the animal seems fine. Male lions protect their pride fiercely.
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Ah touche!
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Is the tiger just a regular Vig, or is he a forced kill each night? If he's not a forced kill, I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be once every night. Mafia definitely seems too strong. Investigation is a very powerful role for mafia to have, especially with both a silencer and a hooker to make use of his investigations. You might want to consider dropping the Stalker.
Also, what happens if the Tourist visits the Monkey? Does he not get stolen, or does he get converted?
Edited by bloodrayne03, Feb 25 2014, 07:37 PM.
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Just a regular Vig. Ok, maybe I could change him to an alternate mafia role, just cuz I like the human shield concept, but it would be useless on a normal mafia.

Oo. interesting, I think It would be best if the Monkey doesn't swap with the Tourist, and the Tourist gets his point toward winning. However that would mean outing the Monkey..

Or, The tourist loses his 3 picture win, and it goes to the monkey, both roles stay where they are, and tourist can only win by surviving. Oh and I guess the monkey would then need to go after mafia roles instead of village since that would mean revealing his friends, Also, friendly visits such as Doc and Watcher should be probably be exempt from the Monkey's role.
Edited by Drake, Feb 25 2014, 07:41 PM.
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You could just combine that in with the Silencer or the Hooker.
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Ok that sounds good, I'll promote the Animal Feeder to Head Zookeeper, and give him the human shield ability
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Only problem I see with not allowing Monkey to take roles from friendly visits is that it would severely limit his options on what powers he could actually receive. And I think if Tourist visits Monkey, Monkey shouldn't take the Tourist's power, and the Monkey should just be outed. The other idea seems cool, but very hard to implement
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What happens if the Yakuza tries to convert the Monkey?
I'm not sure if Monkey not stealing friendly roles and stealing the Tourist's investigation might make village too strong.
Edited by bloodrayne03, Feb 25 2014, 07:50 PM.
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If Yakuza converts the monkey, then the monkey could turn a mafia to village, but that would mean an auto village win I guess...hmm problems problems problems..
True there are much fewer mafia roles, it would be simpler to just declare the third party immune
Edited by Drake, Feb 25 2014, 07:52 PM.
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I think if Monkey gets yakked he should just convert to Goon at that point. Anything else would get really sloppy, and require that the Monkey knows Mafia people (because if he tried to convert someone he assumed was Mafia, but they turned out to be villager anyway, then he would die in vain).
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I'd be ok with him stealing the Yakuza power, but he definitely has to kill himself to use it. Why'd the Silencer get nixed? I think Yakuza/Silencer/meat shield Hooker should be fine against this village. With no Silencer, maf has no playaround for the Bulletproof or Wildebeast claiming D1.
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I guess the monkey stealing village roles too would work, as long as the village is somewhat organized it wouldn't mess with them too much
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Actually, hmm. Monkey stealing Yakuza means that village gets a guaranteed clear, and if they hit a mafia, they basically auto-win because the converted mafia can give up all his teammates. He should just be converted to a goon.
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So how would you counterract the new villager knowing the entire mafia?

I thought that having both a hooker and silencer would be too much, is it better with the silencer still around?
Ok, goon it is, and no monkey death, just life as a villager
Edited by Drake, Feb 25 2014, 07:57 PM.
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I think it's better with the silencer.
Edited by bloodrayne03, Feb 25 2014, 07:58 PM.
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Silencer should be fine. What's the verdict on Tourist and Monkey, though?
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So if Yakuza converts the Monkey, the Monkey gets turned into a villager and Yakuza doesn't die, but gets converted to a regular mafia? I'd be ok with that, I think that works.
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Tourist is Immune to the Monkey\

oh and silencer is back in
Edited by Drake, Feb 25 2014, 08:02 PM.
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Cool, then everything looks good to me.
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if the player was third party, then the tourist will lose his camera and be left with only his survive win condition.
Remove that bit from the Monkey description then. Does the Yak die from attempting to kill the Monkey, or not?
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Ope, good catch. Yak can kill too? The normal Mafia kill wouldn't activate the Monkey's ability as its a vote and not a specific visit.
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No, if the Yak tries to convert Monkey. Monkey would become regular villager, but it doesn't say whether or not Beast Tamer would die from trying to convert him.
Edited by Krugo, Feb 25 2014, 08:07 PM.
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I'd be in favor of the Beast Tamer not dying. Losing out on his conversion is bad enough.
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Yea that sounds good to me. I'll make note of it.
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Ite, I'll probably get this going tomorrow.
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Question on the lost tourist, are villagers included? That's my only question, this looks good otherwise.
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