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Sandbox Unleashed; This might be imbalanced help
Topic Started: Mar 13 2014, 07:07 PM (767 Views)
Zaazaa0
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So I was looking at the Created Roles and the Suggested Roles sections of https://epicmafia.com/role recently. There were a few decent ones, so I challenged myself to make a game using only roles from that, taken exactly as they were explained and with only minimal changes to the roles.

Village

Mafia

Third Party

Feel free to suggest roles since I probably missed a few good ones, though they'd have to be unique enough to warrant dropping another role. Right now my concerns involve the mafia only having roles that are once per game, but I literally can't find any good Mafia roles that are every night uses, aside from things that would require guns in the game, and I'm not going to include a Funnersmith.

Or a Funnestsmith.
Edited by Zaazaa0, Mar 19 2014, 06:48 PM.
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Edit: Oh... this is discussion... *wipes egg off face*
Edited by Ferret, Mar 13 2014, 07:14 PM.
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Mar 13 2014, 07:12 PM
In.
Except this is in game discussion so it's not an actual game yet. :pac:
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Zaazaa0
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Putting this here for future reference (Bolded the important parts)

With this in mind, I'll probably replace either Shaman or Nudist if I can find something good, and I might make small changes to the Chessmaster so that it's possible to win without waiting until the very end of the game.

Also I just remembered that both of these problems were why I included the Ice Queen. Only kills can go through meaning nobody can protect anybody, meaning essentially strongman and hook on everyone. On the flipside, if Jack is dead the Mafia have to be really careful with this ability if the Chessmaster is alive, since he can probably guess who the Mafia are using it to try and kill.

EDIT: Also considering this role.
Widow: If you are lynched, Mafia gets two kills the following night. (Mafia sided)
Probably not though.
Edited by Zaazaa0, Mar 13 2014, 07:55 PM.
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Whitey
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There's a role called medic that can protect once a game. What if instead of villagers there were medics? It would mean mafia has to claim medic, causing the protection to be unorganized and meaning a villager kill actually means something.

Also, fool that thinks they're villager.
Edited by Whitey, Mar 14 2014, 06:09 AM.
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Zaazaa0
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The first idea would be really weird, and a fool who thinks they're a villager is nothing but luck.
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I agree that the Medic idea would be a bit problematic in a game like this, because we don't know how the other interactions will go. Definitely an idea for an otherwise standard game, though.

Villager!Fool is a really difficult idea though, because village cant really check for it and Fool cant play to win; there would be no Fool-tells, and Fool wouldnt be trying to win by his win condition.
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Whitey
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How about this one?
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Zaazaa0
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Eh, that seems like it's intended to be in a game with a Penguin. Or at least a Blacksmith.

Though I really want to find SOMETHING Mafia-sided that visits each night so Mafia has something to use against Glass Man and Brooding Cop, as well as something for the Nudist to redirect.
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Zaazaa0
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Results of today's Searching and Balancing:

-Considering Grammar Nazi, though it would be nerfed a LOT. Would probably replace Fraud.
-If Chessmaster doesn't get replaced (I can't find a single good third help), then he will be made invincible. This still isn't balanced enough so I might make it even better.

Still need:

-Possible protection role to replace Shaman. Shaman is okay but if I find something better I'll use it.
-Mafia role that visits each night (Grammar Nazi is possible but I'm still looking for better options).
-Third party to replace Chessmaster (Seriously nobody likes it).

Ideas for making Grammar Nazi not broken
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I like the second idea for the Grammar Nazi.
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Aviana
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Does grammar nazi trigger for wrong usage of your/you're and stuff like that as well? (Only half reading.)
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Zaazaa0
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They're technically misspellings, so yes.
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would talking like this trigger the nazi

No punctuation or capital letters, is what i mean
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Zaazaa0
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I'm going to say that doesn't count since everyone does that here anyway.
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Zaazaa0
Mar 15 2014, 07:53 AM
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I'm offended.
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As am I.
More related to the actual game, since you get notified that the Grammar Nazi is watching you at the start of the phase, I don't really see any reason not to let it be at full power. It's not like the Voodoo Lady, where everyone is living in fear of accidentally hitting the trapped word. You just have one person who has to put forth a little extra effort to get their posts all in order for the day.
Edited by bloodrayne03, Mar 15 2014, 10:51 AM.
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Zaazaa0
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That is a good point. I might just do that.

I was thinking it would just be really obvious if people were speaking perfectly as opposed to normal, but since people could just say "Hey, I'm Nazi'd," that really doesn't matter.

Also instead of being required to do five posts, since this is a forum and not epicmafia, I'd obviously decrease it to one or two posts required.
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Somewhat unrelated to this game, but imagine a game with both a Voodoo and Grammar Nazi. People would be screwed.
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^Not necessarily. The person who is affected just has to be EXTREMELY careful.

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Didn't have much time today, but I did a little bit of searching in the Village section.

https://epicmafia.com/role/1643 (Possible replacement for Brooding Cop, but not likely)
https://epicmafia.com/role/547 (If this replaces anything it'll probably be Jack I guess, or maybe Nudist)
https://epicmafia.com/role/7870 (This one is stupid but I put it here anyway)

Probably won't include most of these, since they're weird. Feel free to discuss about whether you think they're worthwhile though.
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The wizard is cool, I like it. Dunno how I feel about the host. The jock seems pretty easy to suss out and nullify without much benefit.
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Whitey
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The wizard is actually pretty great.
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Zaazaa0
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Since the Wizard seems to be liked, he will be replacing Jack, because Jack is boooring.

Not much was done today, but I did find this:

https://epicmafia.com/role/2712

I might just replace the Shaman with this.
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I've decided that if I can't find a single good third party, I will just not have a third in the game, since everyone hates Chessmaster.

Also, after replacing the Shaman with the Malpractitioner, the game is about ready to go, but I'll keep looking until Grumps is over.
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Whitey
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I would like chess master if he was unable to die , because then he could wait untill Lylo and have an easier chance.

EDIT: https://epicmafia.com/role/7007

I laik dis won
Edited by Whitey, Mar 19 2014, 07:02 AM.
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Zaazaa0
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Oh, that's actually REALLY interesting! The Crusaders would have to think about who the Doc would be protecting, and they'll have reasons to want to keep him alive as well.

Unless anyone sees any major problems, I'll probably replace Chessmaster with that.
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