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Tarot Mafia; needs feedback plz
Topic Started: Apr 27 2014, 10:32 PM (750 Views)
Nimbostratus
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Now that I've cut my teeth a bit, here's my idea for a mafia game with more PRs. But I'm not sure if it's well-balanced, so feedback would be appreciated.

Village
 
The Emperor

Justice

Queen of Cups

Knight of Swords

The Lovers

Mafia
 
The Hierophant

Death

The Devil

Third Party
 
The Fool

The Hanged Man

Also, does 9/3/2 (village/mafia/3rd) sound fair for this setup?
Edited by Nimbostratus, Apr 28 2014, 09:00 AM.
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Zaazaa0
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>Game has a role called fool
>Not a fool
>Different role is fool

Game seems good. I like the sound of the Lovers.
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Bowser
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Definitely interesting.
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Dax246
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Its probably just me but I find village weak.
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Aviana
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Hanged Man seems like he'll have an easy time of it since he investigates as guilty. Also, are there any villagers?
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Shadow31
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Question: does Devil have to guess both Lovers in one night, or just one?

Also, I agree that Hanged Man, as he comes up guilty, seems a bit overpowered when there's no way to corroborate the cop.
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Nimbostratus
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Aviana: Yes, this game will probably have 3-4 vanillagers.

Shadow: Devil has to guess both lovers.
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What do third party investigate as?
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Nimbostratus
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Well, I kinda wanted Hanged Man to investigate as guilty (fits with his theme) but like Jessi said, that might make it a bit too easy to win as him. idk.
Edited by Nimbostratus, Apr 28 2014, 10:04 PM.
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I agree with everyone else, hanged man is just a bit too good.
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Nimbostratus
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Alright, here's an idea. How about another village PR to keep the Hanged Man in check. Something like this:

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The Queen of Pentacles represents plenty and generosity. Each night, you can give someone a bag of coins. If the Hanged Man gets a bag of coins, he will be overjoyed by the gift he has received. This will remove his "get lynched" goal and convert him to a normal Villager.

However, if you give a bag of coins to the Fool, he will steal all your money, converting you to a normal Villager. (Again, this bit fits with the theme, but I foresee people complaining about it. Any thoughts on this?)



On another note, I'm thinking about removing the Devil and changing the spread to 7/2/2 - because Devil's conversion ability, if used successfully, is pretty much an auto-win for the mafia.
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Shadow31
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First, I agree that the Devil's conversion would be a bit much on reflection, especially with a Godfather in play.

As for the Queen of Pentacles, it's a fascinating idea. I can't say whether it would balance it or not, but it's an interesting role.
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I personally think the Hanged Man is fine as is right now, but Queen of Pentacles seems interesting. If you add more villagers, the Devil should be fine as is.
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Aviana
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Pentacles won't address the hanged man issue. I can post more as to why not later. But it doesn't address the issue of no way to act on guilty results.
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The guilty on Hanged Man was taken out, it's no longer in the role description. Unless the Queen of Pentacles was meant to be a measure so that the Hanged Man could investigate as guilty, in which case I agree with Jessi. Guilty result will make it way too easy for him.
Edited by bloodrayne03, Apr 29 2014, 12:13 PM.
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Nimbostratus
Apr 29 2014, 10:31 AM
Alright, here's an idea. How about another village PR to keep the Hanged Man in check.
This sounded like a role intended to keep the Hanged Man in check if he still showed up as guilty. If he doesn't show up as guilty then what I'm saying doesn't apply.
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Zaazaa0
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Actually, that isn't a very balancing measure. HM can basically claim to the lead PR "Hey im the fool gimme money" and then yay village has another clear. Then Pentacles can keep giving money to inno reports and if she gets converted to a villager good job you just found the other third party.
Edited by Zaazaa0, Apr 29 2014, 01:14 PM.
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Zaazaa makes a pretty good point. I'd just stop Hanged Man from investigating as guilty and leave it at that.
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Alright, I'm changing the Hanged Man to a Village role. He now corresponds to EpicMafia's Virgin role: if he is lynched, nobody can die the following night. (I'm considering making this happen if he is night-killed as well. Too OP?)

The Devil's ability to convert The Lovers will also be removed.

So here are the roles with their corresponding EM roles:
 
The Emperor (Judge)
Queen of Cups (Doctor)
Knight of Swords (Vigilante)
The Hanged Man (Virgin)
The Lovers (Lover with pre-chosen partner)
Justice (Cop)

Death (Paralyzer)
The Devil (Hooker)
The Hierophant (Godfather)

The Fool (Alien)
And here's a priority list:
 
Devil
Queen of Cups
Mafia kill
Knight of Swords
Fool
Justice
As for Death, when he wants to use his power, he should PM me. Any actions or votes submitted after the PM was sent will be blocked.

Village/Mafia/3rd spread will be 7/3/1. No vanillagers. Hooray!
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Nimbostratus
May 1 2014, 02:19 PM
No vanillagers. Hooray!
Not having villagers is a bad idea. Every member of the mafia is forced to counter a claim and they will all be discovered quickly. Funny as it sounds, the mafia needs vanillagers so that they have somewhere to hide.
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Nimbostratus
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...alright, I guess this was just a dumb idea. Delete it.
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I don't think this is a dumb idea, I just think not having vanillagers is a bad idea.
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