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The North American Colonies; I don't even know
Topic Started: Apr 25 2012, 05:55 PM (337 Views)
Gath
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In history class I was thinking about various things that could make mafia games much more interesting, leading up to me zoning out and imagining a scenario and I was the host.

The idea would be: English Colonies vs French Colonies (US vs Canada before they were known as that) French would be villagers, while English would be maf.

These are the roles I thought of at the moment, but I'll come up with more.

French: (Everyone looks alike, but they have distinct features.)


English: (You look like French Villagers, but some have a special trait that the Orphan may notice)


The Neutral-Roles (Also have a distinct trait that the Orphan can determine)


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This game is set to 9-3-1, as in Villagers-Mafia-Neutral
Edited by Gath, Apr 26 2012, 07:12 PM.
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So, if I'm reading this right, the Orphan can only get a special role result from the Clergyman, and everyone else he just sees the name of the person? Interesting.
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You cannot do so on yourself. You may only do this once, for when you do, it will feel as though all connections to the holy spirits that you may have have been cut off.
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An anonymous source tells you, if they so desire, every phase what they have seen.
So then does the Orphan tell the host he wants to sell his info, and then the host PMs the Journalist with the anonymous result? Can other messages be passed this way?
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Gath
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bloodrayne03
Apr 25 2012, 06:11 PM
So, if I'm reading this right, the Orphan can only get a special role result from the Clergyman, and everyone else he just sees the name of the person? Interesting.
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You cannot do so on yourself. You may only do this once, for when you do, it will feel as though all connections to the holy spirits that you may have have been cut off.
What exactly does this mean?
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An anonymous source tells you, if they so desire, every phase what they have seen.
So then does the Orphan tell the host he wants to sell his info, and then the host PMs the Journalist with the anonymous result? Can other messages be passed this way?
I badly phrased the first one. I meant he can only use the saving power once, because that thing will happen. He can't use it on himself though

The orphan can decide who he wants to sell the info to, but only the Journalist can reveal the info in the thread. The others may reveal it to who they wish, but they better be careful.


(Too lazy to quote properly)
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When there is only one general alive, and the Army Leader 'renders another one unable to use their special role', does that mean that the person can never use their power again? Or is it temporary? The first would be incredibly powerful, possibly making the English OP just because of that.
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LordQ
Apr 25 2012, 06:19 PM
When there is only one general alive, and the Army Leader 'renders another one unable to use their special role', does that mean that the person can never use their power again? Or is it temporary? The first would be incredibly powerful, possibly making the English OP just because of that.
Oh, I just precise on that. It's for a single phase. I'm not sure how many people would play this game (Trying to take into account the current active members of the forums) so I'm trying to make things strong here and there. I may add 1 to a villager role, like Orphan or Farmer.

Thanks for mentioning that, I wrote these in a jiffy and rereading, I think my details could be a little more detailed
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So the doc can only save once, the watcher can't vote, the journalist is the only person allowed to say the watcher's results in the thread, and the farmer can have a double vote, but only once, and even then it basically only makes up for the fact that the watcher can't vote? Is that correct? I like that the village is a little handicapped like that, but the mafia is incredibly powerful in comparison. That double kill is pretty much insane, doubly so if the clergyman only has one save, and they can investigate their targets so they're sure to aim for power roles, AND they can vote for a new leader so they can kill AGAIN. Voting for a new leader is especially broken because there is literally NO reason for the leader to use his power as soon as possible. If he gets killed, they can just kill again. If he isn't, they still have to find the generals. I'd just straight up give the farmer two votes all the time, let the doc save as many times as he's able, and knock the leader down to just a single kill, and take away the ability to vote for a new one.

The orphan is especially handicapped by the leader's kill. There's only one role that can say his results in the thread, but as soon as he does, the leader will just kill him and basically silence the orphan. If you plan to leave the village roles as is, then either the spy or the leader needs to go, because the two of them together are much too powerful for an ineffective investigator.
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I'm still trying to come up with roles that would counter-act these, but I meant can only use Conquer once as in in the whole thing. Maybe I should add something like "Generals cannot execute kills for the following 2 phases of a Conquer".

I thought that the Journalist is the only one to announce the results of the Watcher's, because Newspaper is the fastest way to get around.

Also, do you think it'd be better if I gave the farmer two votes because he's doing well, and if he wants, he can sell his crop every 2nd phase and allow the Orphan to vote?

The orphan point, do you think it'd be better to do something of the genre

"The Journalist has gotten a source that tells him of a mysterious fellow, he may report it in the Newspaper, which may immediately make the village want to lynch that person" But it can only be used once

"A villager has gotten a source that tells him of a mysterious fellow! He reports it to his nearest fellows and they ponder about the person's being, eventually spreading the information to the whole town to discuss" Can be used at any time
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Hey Gath, quoting stuff that's right before your reply isn't necessary.
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Hmmm. Not being able to get their kill for a few phases after the conquer is an interesting trade-off. But, if village only needs to be outnumbered or matched in numbers to lose, they could simply hold onto it until the end and circumvent that, and it would still be an incredibly damning blow to the village to lose the Journalist. The orphan would basically have to PM people at random and hope they didn't PM a maf, but they'd basically be a one shot trade at that point. Yes, I like that idea for the farmer a lot better.

One really big thing I don't like about the journalist though is that even though he's the only one that can post the results in the thread, he doesn't have any line of communication with the orphan.
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Updated information, added two neutral roles and another French role. Still thinking of english roles, because just 4 is slightly too little compared to French, no?
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I don't think the mafia need any more PRs. At this point you have 6 village PRs, two of which need a third to be useful. I feel like the mafia might be too powerful in comparison to the village, though my thread skimming informs me you've heard that. Also, I really can't think why the mafia would need an investigative role. At all. The third party hooker is intriguing.

.....my main thought at the moment is geez this game is going to be huge. Which isn't necessarily BAD, but it will be tough to get so many sign ups. :unsure:
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I think an investigator role could be necessary for the mafia. Sometimes you just want to get rid of somebody first.

I may change a bit here and there again as well.

I also know that this many roles could be a problem, but if I think of removing one, it would be weird to the game. :C I also know that finding signups is hard, but I'll try my best to harass my friends :y (Because I'm cool/not cool like that)

Hopefully this works out, thanks for your input!
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Yes, sometimes you want to get rid of someone first, however, that tends to be one of the calculated weaknesses with the mafia. :/
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Removed soldier and spy from Mafia to have a ratio of 9-3-1.
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