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Western Zodiac. [COMPLETED]
Topic Started: Mar 18 2013, 09:03 PM (4,201 Views)
Dorkie Corkie
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Roaring, stinging, virgins, and strange new signs.
Somehow everyone survived it, along with Corie's awful flavor.

DAY ONE GO.
Edited by Dorkie Corkie, Mar 21 2013, 01:11 PM.
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Aviana
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I can't really think of a reason not to do this, so.

YO. KILLING ROLES. DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME WITH ME. GEMINI HERE.

Also I know normally I'm all like whoa gonna snoop around and find out everyone's roles and orchestrate demises galore and probably shoot myself in the process, buuuuuuut not this time. I'm just gonna kinda chill on the sidelines if nobody minds.

Anyway point is. Gemini. Nobody needs to kill me to win. I'm just like nope don't care whatever.

Carry on with whatever you want to do today.
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Shadow31
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Well, no one else is doing anything, so I guess I shall start.

I pm-ed Blood earlier regarding possibly working together for a time, and exchanging signs. This is his reply:

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No. I don't do that.



Now, that could mean he never works in a team on these games. However, that could also mean he has a dangerous role, and doesn't want others to know. I personally would not like to risk it. As such,

Vote: Blood
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Aviana
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Ooooh, something's finally started.

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LordQ
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Hold it Shadow. Blood's a good experienced player for sure, and it does make sense to go after him if he seems disinterested in networking, but I have another idea that's motivated greatly by Jess's silliness.

Let's analyse Gemini shall we? The Gemini role's ability to joint win with a killing role, in my opinion, means that basically Gemini's only choice to win this game is to do so by allying with killing roles and joint winning with one. The reasons are as follows:
1) If a killing role approaches Gemini with an alliance offer, Gemini can't say no or risk being killed off.
2) She is the only role killing roles can joint win with, and as such, in order to have control of votes as games reach the penultimate day phase and thus kill without using the killing power, killing roles want her alive.

In particular, the second point also means that killing roles may indeed approach her and create an alliance of sorts with Gemini as the fulcrum. I am horrified by this prospect, considering how many killing roles are in this game. The game could end HILARIOUSLY quickly if that happened.

That's why I reckon,

Vote: Aviana.
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bloodrayne03
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It means I don't do that. Here is a quote from the MMM: Scumhunt Wars game illustrating this.
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Like literally every game of this setup he's just sort of shut down anyone who's approached him.
I also continue to not like people who go around perpetuating this race to gather up all the roles, and in a more general sense, I dislike that you currently seem to be the most connected. This also makes you the most irksome.

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Omanyte
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Dem free for all games man~
Also I think anyone can joint as long as both derps are alive at the end?
We need some clarification on that area.

Anyway, chances are Shadow found someone to partner up with already so...

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Edited by Omanyte, Mar 22 2013, 01:12 AM.
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Bumblebeta
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yeah I think I kinda want shadow gone

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LordQ
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bloodrayne03
Mar 21 2013, 09:54 PM
I also continue to not like people who go around perpetuating this race to gather up all the roles, and in a more general sense, I dislike that you currently seem to be the most connected.
I find it weird that you're playing this game even though you have no taste for the best way of playing it (not in terms of enjoyment, as that can vary from person to person, but in terms of effectiveness).

Anyway, while I do agree that the most networked player is the most dangerous, this brings about another problem. Why should anyone make independent effort (as opposed to joining bandwagons) in these games if all that does then is to get them killed? Should we sit around twiddling our thumbs, waiting for someone to get bored and propose a lynch and then either bandwagoning with them or pouncing on them? Yes, I'm aware that sounded silly, but isn't that what happened today?

I'm still kinda hopeful that we can get an Aviana lynch since her approach to this game is kind of annoying (yes that's the real reason why I started the logics, shoot me :y ). Though the threat of a Scorpio, Sagittarius and Capricorn alliance with her at the center is still really goddamn scary. It might even be safe to assume that Omanyte and Tk (why is he a bed now? :V ) are in fact killing roles and are allied, or in the process of allying with her. Or hey, maybe they tl'dr-ed my logics, which would be kind of a stupid thing to do. :V

EDIT: Fixed a typo.
Edited by LordQ, Mar 22 2013, 05:03 AM.
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Aviana
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Wait, you want to lynch ME?

I'm not even putting forth any effort into this game. You can ask anyone, I'm not approaching anyone. And why should I? My role has no motivation to do so. I can just sit around and wait for my victory to come to me, because nobody has to kill me to win. Also I'm busy hosting another game and with life shenanigans.

Like there is literally no reason for anyone to kill me ever or really to even lynch me and doing that would be a tremendous waste of time and resources, since most of the kills if I recall are limited use?

This isn't related but I like your cat spout.
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The Worst with Babies

I CAN SEE CATS
CAN I PET THEM
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Aviana
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LordQ
Mar 21 2013, 09:19 PM
basically Gemini's only choice to win this game is to do so by allying with killing roles and joint winning with one
Also, I somehow missed this post earlier, but that's dead wrong. Literally all I have to do is announce myself and tell people not to bother killing me. Winning on my part no longer takes any further effort. And making the kind of alliance you're talking about is way too much work and also seriously not necessary.
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SnakeWrangler
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I don't know what's going on, so...
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Shadow31
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Aviana
Mar 22 2013, 06:09 AM
I'm not even putting forth any effort into this game.
Quite frankly, I want to lynch you just for that.

Every other game that has had a joint-win role, they have played the game. Odo played it, I remember that, and I know whoever was Olive (?) in Reindeer Games 2 didnt try the stunt you're doing.

Frankly, what you're doing is an insult to Corie, on par with someone not playing just because they're a vanillager in a standard game.


So, even without the logic of a linked set of killing roles, I'd change to

Vote: Aviana



As for the people lynching me, Im hardly networked. I know my role as Leo, which is absolutely useless for pretty much all game, and thats it. People I approached said no, and I left it at that. So, I'd appreciate it if we focused on the roles who were actually dangerous.
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Bumblebeta
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I was Olive and I had to work quite hard. So yeah I'm going to agree with Shadow here.

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Aviana
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If you guys have an issue with that then I can put forth more effort, that's fine. It just didn't really seem necessary and I've been sort of busy.
Also, you'd appreciate focus on the roles that were actually dangerous? Gemini is not. So.
Edited by Aviana, Mar 22 2013, 11:14 AM.
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Vote futzing is hardly useless. Also, I join these games because silly stuff happens in free for alls, and in the occasional event it happens, I like to be able to say I won without trading away my role to half the game. There's not really any point to killing Aviana though. She's a joint win role, so she can either pick a person and manipulate for them, or just sit back and let the eventual victor win with her. The first is more work, yes, but the second gets the same job done. There are four killing roles and three roles that mess with the lynch, so I think it'd be a better idea to go for one of them than the Survivor-type role.
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Aviana
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I'm honestly confused as to what you all even want me to do, though. Do you want me to go try to make the group alliance of death? Like seriously, my lack of effort I would think would be a sigh of relief for you all more than anything...
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Shadow31
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Aviana, what irks me isn't the act of not scrambling. If you don't need to, that's fine. What irks me is how flippant you were about it. I remember a game of Mafia where a maf couldn't safely be killed by the village despite being found by the Cop because of his role, and he had a field day with it. That's okay, because that was part of the game and it was an "I'm evil, you know I'm evil, so let's have fun" action. Your's, on the other hand, was closer to "I'm Gemini, so screw the game because I've already won".

So, yes. You could technically float by to victory. I'm not saying no to that. What I'm having a problem with is the attitude I'm seeing behind it. That's why I'm voting for you, not any perceived risk because you've made it clear you don't care enough to make one.



Anyway.
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Vote futzing is hardly useless.

I won't deny that, in the right circumstance, it can be powerful. If there is a split vote and I managed to correctly predict someone's side the night before, that could decide the vote.
But really, right now it's kind of weak. There's so many votes out there, and there isn't likely to be a split vote any time soon, both of which mean my power is basically useless for the time being.
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Dorkie Corkie
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Now, why go up there when people are dying to get down here?
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Omanyte
Mar 22 2013, 01:11 AM
Dem free for all games man~
Also I think anyone can joint as long as both derps are alive at the end?
We need some clarification on that area.
Alright, so originally I was thinking I wouldn't force anyone to use their abilities and anyone could joint win. However, that takes away the entire point of Gemini's role.

The win condition is last man standing. If you have the ability to kill, or mess with the vote of the other person, you must. If you don't then a joint win is fine but only if that's the only possibility.
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I was mentioning I can float to victory in response to Q saying OH SHE HAS TO HOOK UP WITH ALL THE KILLER ROLES TO WIN. Which isn't true in the least. Either way I'm pretty sure voting for me over I don't like her attitude is a waste of your time.
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Sum Nox
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Well, this strategy is way, way above my pay grade, so I'll just

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What is even going on this phase? Whatever...guess I'll...

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Aviana
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Some log to clarify my intentions.


So, apparently I gave the impression that I'm not putting effort into this game at all, that I don't care, that I'm only barely even noticing what's going on. None of that is true. I've been quite plugged into the events even before I was being targetted. I should have stated more clearly that any comment of not putting in effort was specifically related to NETWORKING. I am not going to be NETWORKING. I am still in this game, I am still paying attention, I am still being active and engaged. Not in my usual style, perhaps, but I am. I do care about this game and I'm really sorry if I offended anyone by indicating otherwise.
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Dorkie Corkie
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Now, why go up there when people are dying to get down here?
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[22/03/2013 14:28:19] Dorkie /Corkie/: I also laughed at this story, umn..
[22/03/2013 14:28:23] Dorkie /Corkie/: This woman hung herself in her front yard.
[22/03/2013 14:28:34] Dorkie /Corkie/: And for days no one knew because they thought she was a Halloween decoration.
[22/03/2013 14:28:39] Dorkie /Corkie/: That made me laugh so bad.

This is my favorite part of that log.

It's all good, Jessi.
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Shadow31
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[9:31:43 PM] Shadow31: ...Okay. It appears I misread your intentions regarding the post, and then that was accidentally reinforced with me interpreting the cat picture as "Im gonna just watch and do nothing"

So, I apologize.


So yea.
Unvote: Aviana


Also, I love how people are still trying to kill one of the currently least-threatening roles in the game. Really, guys? Even PISCES is more dangerous right now, because he can mess with any of the roles.

Look, will it make you happier if I said who I targetted last night? Aviana.
Yes, I targetted probably the only person guaranteed NOT to vote, since I randumbed her as a fellow Madmin.

Anyway, Vive La Resistance and all that. Because you all should DEFINITELY follow someone's lead who gives only "Oh, he's trying to make the game exist! He must be networked!" as a reason. In a free-for-all, as well.

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Oh what you ruined my vote? RUDE.
Also, I like how you say EVEN Pisces like Pisces isn't one of the more potent roles.
Edited by Aviana, Mar 22 2013, 07:06 PM.
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LordQ
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For now, the networked individual is dangerous I suppose.

Vote: Shadow.
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I was ready to make this huge post about who we should vote for when it was between Aviana and Shadow, but I guess it got sorted out. I'm still fine with this cause I definitely think Shadow could be dangerous, maybe not so much role-wise, but definitely activity-wise.

Vote: Shadow
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