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The Official Pokemon Ruleset Discussion Topic; Please discuss the new ruleset here
Topic Started: 08/01/2012 - 03:00 am (873 Views)
Post #1 08/01/2012 - 03:00 am SHS_JJEmpire
After a certain incident during the last PO tournament, it has come to my attention that we need to renew the Pokemon ruleset and possibly replace it entirely.

Here's the closest thing we have to a "official" ruleset: http://shadowstars.co.uk/topic/8514186/1/

Death has also proposed a ruleset of his own, though it has sparked controversy among the Pokemon players here, but feel free to take a look at it if you want to: http://shadowstars.co.uk/topic/9074533/1/

To remind you all, this ruleset is intended for Pokemon Online play. However, it should also be possible to use with the DS games if we have any more tournaments for them.

And just so this topic won't spark any silly controversy...

Please keep discussion of this subject clean. First offense will result in deletion of the offensive post. Second offense will result in a Warn Level raise. However, punishment WILL vary, depending on the situation.

Have fun! B-) Start debatin'. Once we have several good ideas formed up, I'll put up a poll for voting.
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Post #2 08/01/2012 - 04:11 am geer
I propose we use Smogon's Tier list for our banned pokemon, all pokemon who are Uber are banned.
Banned items same as Death
Banned abilities are Drizzle + Swift Swim, chandelure with the trap one, and speed boost blaziken.
all suggestions I really dont care too much what happens
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Post #3 09/01/2012 - 02:10 pm Nate.ExE
As I suggested in the last topic we should ban smergal for the following reasons
1) it can learn any move
Im all most positive that's the only argument I need it's extreamly broken

Also ban shadow tag on all Pokemon

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Post #4 09/01/2012 - 07:43 pm Fixerek
Smeargle is such an easy pokemon to deal with it doesn't need to be banned. It's stats are far from amazing.

Drizzle and switf swin, and Drought and Chlorophyll should be banned combinations for the same team.

Or we could just use smogons rules which are pretty much the best ruleset for online play as almost everything has been analysed and balance reviewed.
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Post #5 09/01/2012 - 08:07 pm Nate.ExE
Smergal may not be amazing it's self but with a move pool as big as mews and with a standard smergal set (Shellsmash spore substitute and baton pass) makes this pokemon one well of a bitch
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Post #6 09/01/2012 - 08:43 pm ShiroShinigami
i think its best to use the game's base ruleset, and just play the game.

with the exception of Event Pokemon.

they should be banned.


of course im speaking of the DS Pokemon battles
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Post #7 09/01/2012 - 08:57 pm Nate.ExE
Could we possibly post the smog on rule set so I can bitch and pick it apart
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Post #8 09/01/2012 - 10:21 pm Mr ChristmasEve
what was the incident that happened?

EDIT: I was told what happened so never mind.


and HONESTLY why the hell not just use smogon's rule set? It's a GREAT ruleset the only thing that's annoying that's not on there is drought+chlorophyll. It's a GREAT ruleset which I play by (in Wifi OU, not DW ou, but DW ou isn't bad)

also nate. I'm sorry smeargle is FAR and i mean FAR from ban worthy. fuck, the fact he can learn every move in the game IS THE ONLY REASON HE'S USED, if his move pool was restricted, he would EASILY be NU. In fact he's RU, which is the tier between UU and NU. his stats are complete shit, and i've NEVER been swept by a smeargle using that strategy. I even tried using it once... the team lost more than it won. and if you want to pick apart the smogon ruleset, you're not at the intelligence level of competative pokemon to do that.

Honestly, at everyones skill level here (including me) we have no right to critique the metagame, we should base ours 95% on somewhere like smogons, and since were not officially taking on the ruleset add in our own rules (like the drought+chlorophyll for an example) I honestly don't think any of us have the advanced pokemon knowledge to make decisions for the best of the game in general.

and @shiro My only problem with the DS pokemon battles... is the fact we had one, and IIRC no one signed up. that was 2-3 months ago.
Edited by Mr ChristmasEve, 09/01/2012 - 10:44 pm.
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Post #9 10/01/2012 - 01:22 am New Member
Just take the smogon ruleset and call it a day, We pretty much don't need any extra rules in all honesty. If someone was able to think of a broken set that deserved ban here, he'd be winning either way, and would probably be good enough to make money at REAL tournaments lol.

But in all seriousness, just taking the smogon set should be fine. Because its just gonna turn into people going, this seems broken, ban it.
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Post #10 10/01/2012 - 01:26 am Nate.ExE
well if some one would post it cause i can't find it then maybe ill agree
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Post #11 10/01/2012 - 07:50 am Youtwo
You could have just found it easily on the site Nate but here it is http://www.smogon.com/bw/banlist/ also I think the smog on ruleset would be a great idea. I would defiantly use it in a heartbeat if we made it the basis of our rules.
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Post #12 10/01/2012 - 09:23 pm Fixerek
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what was the incident that happened?

EDIT: I was told what happened so never mind.


and HONESTLY why the hell not just use smogon's rule set? It's a GREAT ruleset the only thing that's annoying that's not on there is drought+chlorophyll. It's a GREAT ruleset which I play by (in Wifi OU, not DW ou, but DW ou isn't bad)

also nate. I'm sorry smeargle is FAR and i mean FAR from ban worthy. fuck, the fact he can learn every move in the game IS THE ONLY REASON HE'S USED, if his move pool was restricted, he would EASILY be NU. In fact he's RU, which is the tier between UU and NU. his stats are complete shit, and i've NEVER been swept by a smeargle using that strategy. I even tried using it once... the team lost more than it won. and if you want to pick apart the smogon ruleset, you're not at the intelligence level of competative pokemon to do that.

Honestly, at everyones skill level here (including me) we have no right to critique the metagame, we should base ours 95% on somewhere like smogons, and since were not officially taking on the ruleset add in our own rules (like the drought+chlorophyll for an example) I honestly don't think any of us have the advanced pokemon knowledge to make decisions for the best of the game in general.

and @shiro My only problem with the DS pokemon battles... is the fact we had one, and IIRC no one signed up. that was 2-3 months ago.
Wow someone else who actually knows what they're talking about, i was starting to feel alone.
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Post #13 11/01/2012 - 01:11 am Mr ChristmasEve
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Wow someone else who actually knows what they're talking about, i was starting to feel alone.
There's a reason I'm undefeated here. I know the game well, but definentally not enough to be able to say what's legal or not.


JJE if anything start a poll on if we should use smogon rule set, or smogon ruleset+minor modifications. Imo just to start it out.
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Post #14 11/01/2012 - 06:35 am ScarletNights
if were going to use the smogon set, then im about 99% certain were going to switch from the dream world OU tier list, to the smogon OU tier list.
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Post #15 11/01/2012 - 06:18 pm SHS_JJEmpire
I presume this is the Smogon ruleset?
http://www.smogon.com/tournaments/tour/rules#rules

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Wow someone else who actually knows what they're talking about, i was starting to feel alone.
No need for a comment like that. Everyone's just saying what they think.
Edited by SHS_JJEmpire, 11/01/2012 - 06:29 pm.
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