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About Kirby's Modship
Topic Started: 20/06/2013 - 10:50 pm (1,006 Views)
Post #16 22/06/2013 - 01:46 am Heropon Cloud
The situation as it were when we started talking about it is that Kirby, called Nate a dick and left the chat. He had been warned not to start anything with Nate again a month or two back, or else he would lose his mod powers. Nate had been banned for doing the same type of thing to kirby for three days, so Nate felt like Kirby should be punished too.

I feel like I condensed alot of stuff, so feel free to PM me any questions.. or ask them here in this topic.
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Post #17 22/06/2013 - 02:07 am New Member
Maybe explain the ending a little bit more, because the way you condensed it, it sounds like he only got demoted because nate thought he should be punished. And I KNOW that the staff isn't going to just take one members side like that.
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Post #18 22/06/2013 - 02:27 am KrystalSharz
No, as I said before, staff had warned Kirby before and told him that the punishment would be demoting if he did it again. His behavior was such that the staff didn't think he was setting a good staff example but he was given a 2nd chance to correct it.
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Post #19 22/06/2013 - 04:16 am New Member
Do you have a log, and a date of this warning? I've never seen it. Some evidence maybe? Like i want to take your word on this, but if this thing has been happening before, and he was provoked into saying something each of these times don't you think you should look into the other side a bit more too? Mods are supposed to be mature and whatever, but Nate is a constant dick to Kirby. Like honestly before I left it was pretty bad. Its not in a mods job description to take having shit repeatedly thrown at you from the same person.

He got mad, and that happens to everyone. Even though he said a rude thing or whatever, he never abused his powers, and apparently this only happens with one person so its not even a temper problem.

tldr this is stupid and not a bit enough problem to forsake the rules to get rid of him.

Edit: Also considering that the general member base is never really in support of staff, yet we're supporting a staff member, means that I think you guys should really own up to the fact that you kind of fucked up on this one.
Edited by New Member, 22/06/2013 - 04:18 am.
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Post #20 22/06/2013 - 12:06 pm KrystalSharz
Honestly this is pissing me off. All this topic shows is that hardly anyone has faith in staff, no matter who is staff at the time! You assume we did this for petty reasons, but look at the topic and what we've said before. Staff warned Kirby prior to this, and stated that demoting would be the result if he did it again. We didn't do it because we felt like it or were bored! We decided that because we felt that Kirby wasnt carrying out his mod duties in an impartial manner and thus wasnt fit to continue.
If we had opened it up for discussion, it would have taken longer to settle because every decision takes forever to decide on SHS and you all know it. (The time change for next week's Tournies was the fastest thing I've seen happen since I joined!)
The mod term ends next week or something like that, and this matter wouldn't have been settled by then with all the debating so kirby would not have been punished at all and instead it would have been "oh look kirby finished his term and simply wasnt choosen for mod again, what a punishment."

If you all have such lack of confidence in every decision that staff makes then why do we even have staff? You think this is an easy job? You think we don't actually think of the well being of SHS when we make decisions like this? Then you're wrong and don't know or want to know what staff go through to keep SHS from falling apart.
And you wonder why JJ takes breaks from this place.....
Honestly pissed that people dont respect staff and think we do just what we want without thinking of SHS or the consequences of our actions. We do, and it's about time people stop complaining and acknowledge that we're not just a bunch of children with plastic, toy gravels banging out decisions left and right.
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Post #21 22/06/2013 - 12:23 pm Kazuhira
Our job is to simply do work and uphold SHS. Though I do not agree with constantly manuevering around the rules, what we do is not meant to please people. We would like to have majority support, yes, but if you think the descision you made was right then stick with it. Getting "pissed off" at the members for their criticism isn't going to solve anything and in all honesty just make it worse.

With that said, please remember that the staff members are reconsidering the punishment. Whether or not it changes has yet to be decided.
If you have any other questions both Cloud and I have offered to straighten things out via private message.
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Post #22 22/06/2013 - 12:35 pm KrystalSharz
You're right caz, this really doesn't warrant getting pissed off. It's just that I take my Modship seriously and I see staff (wether I'm staff at the time or not) get looked down on for their decisions more often than I think they/we should. It gets frustrating to not have the confidence of the members and make the staff look like they're dumb when in reality i know what goes on behind the scenes.
It also gets depressing to have this constantly happen. SHS has been my home for almost a year now, most of that I spent as mod. I just want to see some acknowledgement of my time and effort not being wasted on people who will pick on every decision I help/agree with.
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Post #23 22/06/2013 - 12:59 pm New Member
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You're right caz, this really doesn't warrant getting pissed off. It's just that I take my Modship seriously and I see staff (wether I'm staff at the time or not) get looked down on for their decisions more often than I think they/we should. It gets frustrating to not have the confidence of the members and make the staff look like they're dumb when in reality i know what goes on behind the scenes.
It also gets depressing to have this constantly happen. SHS has been my home for almost a year now, most of that I spent as mod. I just want to see some acknowledgement of my time and effort not being wasted on people who will pick on every decision I help/agree with.
Positions of power are a cold and thankless job. Even if people are genuinely thankful of the things you do, you'll next to never hear it. If you wanted to be a moderator because you wanted to be praised, you're out of luck if you're doing your job right. You'll never hear someone thank an officer for giving them a ticket. It's just the way things work.

Its cool that you warned him for getting mad and saying things or whatever happened before, but I just don't see the reason that it needed to go beyond the rules. Kirby didn't even get a warning level raise for whatever it was that he did, so I'm seeing it as, if this wasn't even worth that much, how the fuck did it lose him his mod powers. JJ mentioned revamping the vonc criteria, and its pretty apparent that it needs to happen. If you're demoting them after the 2nd offense, whats the point of needing 3 pieces of evidence for someone to lose it? I'm done though, this is pretty much just a krystal and me back and forth thing.

Edit: Also, this is a thread to discuss what happened. People might criticize what you did. Its one thing to disagree with it, but to get pissed off at being criticized in a thread made for criticism is a bit childish. Especially since none of it was directed at you personally.
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Post #24 22/06/2013 - 01:12 pm Yuri Lowell
People seem to forget. If you Vonc someone they lose their mod powers as well. They only get them back if and only if the members of the clan vote to keep them as moderator. So basically cast a vonc and no one can say jack shit about your decision after the vote because the clan has spoken as a clan. In the event of a tie I'd see how the staff can decide yes or no to remove power.

But that was not done and why people are upset. Sure the staff works hard to keep the clan going but that doesn't mean you can just stop following the procedures laid out by the clan. You are the enforcers of the rules you are not above them. Please stop acting like you can do what you want and think about us powerless members who feel abused by this constant doing things against the clan charter.

If you can't deal with people getting upset that is not our problem. We are only human we are gonna get upset when things we don't like happen. Same with you. Its life things happen but don't go asking for praise that makes you seem selfish.


Its clear that this isn't going to change anytime soon but I hope you guys finally learn the members hate it when staff just does things without A) Giving us the reasons why (saying you warned him and he didn't stop isn't a real reason
B) Making up rules to do things for the clan that seems like your just doing what you want
C) making us feel powerless and like you make all the decisions for the clan for us.


I know i might be a little out of place because i was unactive for about 2 months but please stop doing things against the charter.
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Post #25 22/06/2013 - 08:51 pm Zedsyy
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Just to clarify a bit: Kirby had in fact been warned of his behavior previously, and it had been decided by staff on a previous term that if it occurred again, Kirby would loose Modship. Thus we were acting on something that was decided before Tuesday's incident.
That's a lie. Not once was I warned, not once was I told I'd lose modship. So please, tell the truth
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Post #26 22/06/2013 - 09:46 pm Lyra
I am new hear so I know my opinion isn't as... official as others, in fact, I am not going to say my opinion because I have more questions than said opinion.
One of the things I do not get is the lack of trust for the staff ( please read because this may be relevant ). My meaning is this. As I read, the members choose who will be mod, correct? So, basically, we,as members, choose who will lead us and govern us. So if you do not trust the Moderators and Staff, then why did you vote for them as a majority or why are they even on the Staff? While I agree that the Staff didn't really say that much on the first time this happened ( which is why two of them said to PM them which is good ), I still don't think this much lack of trust should be necessary right now. We are getting close to this discussion's ending, and yet, we are getting farther. I just want to know why the lack of trust is so present here if you voted for them in the first place. Is it because you do not like the power they have, or is it something else? I think that, while I do not understand this decision that is being made, that the Staff should stay by their word. If they said to Kirby that the next time he will do this, he will get demoted, then let it for that is what they said. I do believe that Kirby had the warning, because even though I did not vote for the staff that was present at that time, I trust that the majority of the members chose them for a purpose.
Of course, I could be wrong, and I just realized I did give my opinion. I know my view is not completely as important as, lets say, older members, but this is what I believe and my question still stands. You can pick this all you want and say what is right and wrong in what I wrote but I will still always trust the staff because that is why their there. While yes they can abuse power, I doubt the majority of staff did. Thank - you for reading this and if I did say something wrong, please feel free to say it, I am just trying to understand this after all.
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Post #27 22/06/2013 - 10:12 pm Zedsyy
The warning I received the last time this happened is exactly this:
"Stepping out of line as a moderator.

Nate was also banned for his flaming"

I literally just copy and pasted.
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Post #28 22/06/2013 - 10:14 pm Yuri Lowell
just to add to lyra. I believe that mods were hand choosen by JJ this term? Correct me if im wrong.
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Post #29 22/06/2013 - 10:27 pm KrystalSharz
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And to Kirby, don't post here. If you have anything to say, either PM me or talk to me on Skype.
I would like to clarify two things.
I didn't word myself correctly I guess and I gave the impression that I am Mod only because i wanted the attention. That is not true. I meant, after I think about 5 months of being Mod here, I would expect that staff as a whole or as individuals would get a pat on the back for making a prompt decision and carrying one out. Just one, in all the things that have been done on SHS in this time period. I did not choose to apply for Mod or get it because I want the attention. I did so and was choosen because I like helping SHS and I go out of my way to do so.

Also Kirby I appologize. Since staff made that decision in the staff chat, I reasonably assumed that you had seen it since you were IN that chat at the time it was said. Also, I recall JJ saying that he had told you that was the case. I might have been wrong about JJ saying that and have misunderstood him. However i know you were in that chat at the time and so I assumed you saw it since we were talking about it for a while. I apologize if that was not the case but I'll be sure to talk to JJ personally about it and find out why I had this impression.

Yes, JJ (and Oso?) choose staff this term. When the first Kirby incident occurred I believe we had been voted for by the members, but I could be wrong.
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Post #30 22/06/2013 - 11:11 pm Zedsyy
I hope you don't think I didn't read that, because I did. I'm just not going to let the staff lie about how you warned me. Nobody ever told me if this ever happened again I'd be removed from Mod. I don't even know what you're talking about to be honest, you're talking like you were part of staff the first time this happened, which wasn't the case. And I certainly didn't get told this time I'd be removed if it happened again, and even if I was told that. This happened once since you have been mod. So the foundation you're laying isn't stable at all...
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