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| Smallvillian | Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:06 pm Post #1 |
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OMG, people. What the HELL is up with Jonathan??? He practically had a frikkin nervous breakdown. No he *DID* have some kind of nervous breakdown and I don't mind saying it disturbed me. :oh: I was ready to cry every time they showed the man. He looked so beaten and tired and...defeated :bawl: How the heck is everything going to be as we get to the finale??? I am so feaking out right now! :guilty: |
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| Renee | Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:11 pm Post #2 |
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Yeah, I know what you mean. I think we ought to go ahead and close the "positive thinking" thread, at least for now. :*( I am so worried about Jonathan! I think we need a group hug!! :grouphug: |
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| Smallvillian | Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:17 pm Post #3 |
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Yes, we do :( :grouphug: |
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| Gizmo | Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:59 am Post #4 |
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Ahhhhh! You just bursted my positive energy vibe! Ohhhhhh! What is going on with Jon??? :eek: :eek: You're scaring me people! :eek: :eek: Ack, i hate not knowing what you all know! *starts pep talk* Jon will live...Jon will live...Jon will live...Jon will live And i mean as Jon, not Jon with Jor-el's voice, whatever the heck that's about! LOL Ohhhhhhhhh!!!! I see a nasty cliff coming up at the end of the season! :eek: :eek: |
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| Renee | Thu Apr 15, 2004 4:51 am Post #5 |
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Sorry we got you all upset, Gizmo. (When do you get to see it?) But it was a tough night for Jonathan fans. Something is very wrong with our guy. He was acting downright haunted. He didn't use Jor-El's voice -- but he did call Clark "Kal-El" at one point, as if he didn't realize he was doing it. It was right after he had heard that high-pitched whine from the key that Clark used to hear, back in "Rosetta." His using that name freaked out Clark and Martha pretty badly -- but not nearly as badly as the rest of us, I think! (I joked on Kryptonsite a long time ago that maybe this would happen -- but I never, ever expected it to REALLY happen!) You might want to duck out now, Gizmo, if you don't want to read any more spoilers. . . . You guys, the scene in the graveyard -- that was amazing. Beautifully acted by both JS and TW. There was something so moving about Jonathan's going to his parents' graves to find comfort, or express his remorse, or both. And when he said that line about "I'm your father, who turned his back on you . . . who drove you away" -- oh man, that broke my heart. JONATHAN, of all people, berating himself for being a terrible father. And Clark couldn't get through to him. When is he going to be able to? :*( |
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| Whitetiger4 | Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:16 am Post #6 |
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Ha! Giz eats spoilers like candy! :LOL: I totally agree with you about that graveyard scene, Renee! That was beautifully acted! I felt moved by that whole scene! And yeah Jon calling Clark Kal-El made me cringe!! It really creeped me out!! |
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| Smallvillian | Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:14 pm Post #7 |
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The more I think about it, the sicker I feel, honestly. When did Jonathan start defining anything with biology? By saying "I'm not your real father" he's basically saying "you're not my son" and I can't fathom Jonathan saying such a thing . It really creeped me out. It was like pod-Jonathan. I felt like shaking him and saying: "Where's the real Jonathan and what did you do to him??" I'm hoping 2 things: 1: We find out that Jonathan saw what Clark sees in Memoria when he communicated with Jor-el and he feels guilty because he can empathise with Jor-El as a father and feels maybe he's being selfish in claiming Clark as his but Clark straightens him out. 2: I hope the fact that Jonathan's deal has consequences for them both means that Clark steps in to try to stop whatever is going on with Jonathan by confronting Jor-el and making a deal himself to get Jonathan out of whatever he did. |
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| Renee | Thu Apr 15, 2004 5:10 pm Post #8 |
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Aw, poor Smallvillian. You sound like you're almost in as bad shape as Jonathan! I don't think he EVER meant to say or imply "You're not my son." Look how quickly he snapped out of his mood (if only for a minute) when Clark was scared that Jonathan regretted adopting him -- it was one of J.'s closest-to-normal moments in the whole episode, back in reassuring daddy mode. I think there are several other factors at work here. For one, he's extremely stressed out physically, and now also mentally, with those weird messages coming to him. (By the way, I wonder if Jor-El has ever sent any messages criticizing Jonathan as a father? That might be a contributing factor too. Evil, EVIL Jor-El! I wish Jonathan had shot you -- or your little keyhole, anyway -- instead of the computer!) For another, as he reminded Clark, he did come close to death, and it made him think about his regrets. I guess that's what brought out the guilt that must have been always there on the subject he's never mentioned before -- how he turned away when Clark needed him in "Exodus." I myself thought that was the worst thing Jonathan has ever done, but I happen to think he's more than paid for the mistake by now. Apparently, he doesn't think so. And for a third, as he DIDN'T tell Clark, he's still very close either to death or to something even worse, and that's REALLY making him think. And arising from that, it might be on his mind that soon Jor-El might be all the father Clark has left, and he's trying to get Clark used to the idea at least a little bit. (By the way, this isn't the first time he's said something about not being Clark's "real" father. He said it to Martha in "Relic," when Clark was having all those visions of Jor-El. So apparently he was having some of these feelings even then.) As many people have said, this was really a "set-up" episode for the final story arc of the season, setting several plotlines in motion. I think that one of these plotlines is what Clark will do to save Jonathan. And this will prove to Jonathan how much he really means to Clark, and snap him out of this funk once and for all. I think it's especially significant that nothing Clark could say here could comfort Jonathan -- I think it points to the fact that it's going to take something REALLY big to show Jonathan just how much Clark loves him. (Along those lines, notice how Jonathan has said "I love you" twice to Clark this season and Clark hasn't said it back yet, simply because he didn't get the chance. I think they're saving that for the season finale, and it's going to be incredibly significant when he does say it.) I hope my exhaustive over-analysis has helped a little. :) |
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| Smallvillian | Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:27 pm Post #9 |
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::trying to get a hold of self:: I hope that's it. I'd hate to see too much damage done to Jonathan's character with this. He seemed so...unpredictable and not himself at one moment and he would do or say something that was totally off the deep end. Then we would get a glimmer of the man we've come to know, which only made me miss it more. I hope this was not what we can expect for a long duration. I don't know if I could take that ::sigh:: I know Jonathan has said he wasn't Clark's real father before but I always got the feeling that he was talking strictly in the most basic sense where I think it was clear that Clark was talking in the emotional and familial sense--he's not stupid. He knows all about biology and all that. And yet Jonathan rejected Clark saying "You are my real father" when he had to know Clark wasn't speaking in the strictly biological sense. Know what I mean? It just was a very disturbing moment for me, especially given how strongly Jonathan reinforced that he *was* Clark's father in Rosetta because he is the man who loved and raised Clark. I'm just reeeeaaaaallly freaked out about now. I wonder if JS even knows what the secret is, given that no one knew about the baby until much later. |
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| Renee | Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:19 am Post #10 |
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It just occurred to me last night that it would be nice to have an "It's a Wonderful Life"-type episode, where Jonathan's guardian angel shows him what would have happened if he hadn't existed! I know it wouldn't exactly fit into the series very well, but isn't it exactly what our guy needs after "Legacy"? I can see him discovering that Martha is an unhappy corporate lawyer in Metropolis working under her father's thumb (since he'd always wanted her in his law firm) and married to some rich, nasty jerk. And as for his son, I can see him finding that Clark has either spent his life in a laboratory having his mind and body studied like a lab rat, or that Lionel or someone like that found Clark and used him to rule the world, with the result that the entire earth is in chaos. THAT would teach Jonathan that he'd accomplished something pretty darned important in his life! |
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| kittsbud | Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:22 am Post #11 |
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Paranoid Schizophrenic!!!!!
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I think I read a fic, or started reading one once that was pretty much like that...it seemed weird, but now I guess it would fit in much better than it did back then. |
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