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| Smallvillian | Wed May 5, 2004 7:11 pm Post #1 |
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OMG! Did anyone else frikkin fall over when he touched Clark and that light was glowing everywhere? I say again, holy frikkin cow! And I have to say I think this was JS's finest performance on SV. For some reason, I was just blown away. He said so much with his eyes and he just...seemed like a man going through a lot inside who was holding it together for his family because of how much he loves them. He definitely knows something that he is not saying. |
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| Renee | Wed May 5, 2004 8:05 pm Post #2 |
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Okay, Smallvillian, this is getting weird, and I don't just mean Jonathan. "The man is BACK!" and "Holy freakin' cow" were EXACTLY my reactions, word for word. Do you think we have some strange kind of Kryptonian mind-meld thing going on??
:) I had two main reactions to Jonathan -- one, thrilled that he was himself again, the old huggy bear with the hand on Clark's back and the wise advice and the bringing his wife coffee and the saving of Clark's life (even unwittingly!). Thank goodness they didn't go with "depressed and angry" again (as we saw in "Legacy" and Martha mentioned in "Truth"), at least not this time. Two -- what in the samhill is Jor-El doing to him, anyway?? I think alien possession is among the very least favorite of all our theories around here -- almost worse than his death would be, maybe -- and yet it sure looks like they're trying to go in that direction. First "Kal-El," now this. It was a really cool scene and neat how they let him be the "vessel" to save Clark's life and everything, but still, I've got an ominous feeling. . . . Oh, and how about Jonathan letting Clark go off to save Lionel? Now THAT was a big-hearted thing to do! We're so proud of you, Jonathan, even if you keep freaking us out! |
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| Smallvillian | Wed May 5, 2004 8:31 pm Post #3 |
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We do seem to think alike
:biggrin: I'll have to think about this cuz I'm not quite wrapping my brain around all this :eyebrow: I just know it seemed Jonthan was very tired afterward and he seemed to me to know more than he was saying. And can I just say I loooved Jonathan in this episode. I especailly loved how he was trying to seem calm while Martha was sliding though Clark's blood :blink: |
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| Renee | Wed May 5, 2004 8:44 pm Post #4 |
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You know what I was thinking when that light filled the room? (Besides the stuff I already mentioned, I mean.) I thought, "Hey, mysterious healing light from wherever, you want to heal Jonathan's heart while you're at it?" :) |
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| Smallvillian | Thu May 6, 2004 4:18 am Post #5 |
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Now that is just plain freaky because that's what I thought. I was saying "Waaaait a minute. You can save Clark from certain death but can't spare a little for poor Jonathan? You bad, bad Kryptonian!" |
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| Smallvillian | Thu May 6, 2004 4:20 am Post #6 |
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But at least we know Jor-el has the power to heal and it's not just that ship so there's hope for Jonathan! ::crossing fingers::: |
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| Renee | Thu May 6, 2004 4:43 am Post #7 |
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I hope so. Maybe Clark needs to go take a healing class with Jor-El so he can take care of it! Having given that whole scene more thought, I'm starting to feel a little more positive about all this. Looking at the storyline as a whole, the way things seem to be developing, and Jonathan's mood in the episode has given me the beginnings of a new theory. I'm starting to think the deal was that Jonathan was to let Jor-El use him for something unspecified, sometime in the future. (I'm not sure that can be all of it, what with all the stuff JS was saying about "proactive" and "reactive" in that recent interview, but let's say that's at least part of it.) Jonathan didn't know what or when, but wasn't too worried at first (thinking he had lots of time), until he started getting messages from the key and so forth. Then he freaked out because (a) he was afraid of what he might be used for and how it would affect Clark, and ( b ) he was thinking he was going to be taken over for good by this disembodied mind. But something changed his mood in this episode. During and after the healing scene, he seemed very calm, when you'd expect him to be more freaked out than ever. I guess that could be explained as (a) gratitude that Clark was saved, ( b ) exhaustion, ( c ) wanting to stay calm so his family wouldn't be scared, (d) the breaking down of his resistance by Jor-El, or (e) all of the above. (My mind just seems to automatically format things in lists this morning!) But it could be more than that. It could be that this made Jonathan realize that Jor-El wants the best for Clark and won't use him (Jonathan) to hurt Clark in any way or force him to do anything. (In the last family scene, I think, he was still speculating that Jor-El wanted Clark to be a warrior, but maybe now he realizes that J.E. won't force him into it. Because he's still saying that Clark can be what he wants to be.) It could also be -- and this is really reading between the lines, but I'll throw it out there anyway -- that Jonathan did keep his own mind during the whole experience and so isn't afraid of his mind being taken over anymore. And finally, it could be that since the experince was only temporary, he realized that Jor-El isn't going to take him over forever, just for long enough to do whatever needs to be done. What do you guys think? |
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| kittsbud | Thu May 6, 2004 12:07 pm Post #8 |
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I thought the same thing. Basically, I think they're leading us up to a 'Jor-El isn't the baddie we thought' episode at some point, and that maybe Jonathan is now realizing this slowly too. I mean, I think Jor-El will work through JK sometimes if he needs to, but he won't take him over. And boy, in that scene he really needed to! I've just gotten back from a few days away, and all I can say is I loved Talisman, and I loved having JK back to mostly his old self :D |
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| Renee | Thu May 6, 2004 2:42 pm Post #9 |
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I didn't respond to what you said about JS's acting before, because I was so bowled over by those scenes that it was actually kind of hard for me to remember his actual performance! (Stupid, but true.) Now I've watched it again, and oh, wow. That was incredible. In the healing scene, you could see what the shock was doing to his heart, especially if you compare it to the similar scene in "Extinction." He had to have Martha help him turn Clark over; he was breathing hard and moving slowly. And afterwards, when he looked so calm on the surface, as I said before, you could really see resignation (as some have pointed out), sadness, gratitude, courage, and a bunch of other things all at once. And he did it all with very little dialogue. AND he did it while he was busy directing! I know I'm gushing like a schoolgirl (like I've never done that :rolleyes: ), but I'm just really impressed. If there were any justice in this world, JS would get an Emmy for this season's work. (Not that he wasn't good before, but "Exile," "Phoenix," "Resurrection," "Legacy," "Talisman," and others have really shown what he can do.) I know everyone says that about JG and MR, and there's a lot of truth to that -- they're both very deserving too, and I'd love it if either of them won. But I think JS has a tougher challenge in some ways. He doesn't get the juicy dialogue and the over-the-top scenes that they get -- he has to express a whole lot while playing a self-effacing, still-waters-run-deep kind of character. Plus he's playing a good guy, which most writers and actors say is tougher than playing a bad guy like Lionel. Considering that it took JS a long time to find a role this good, I'm just so glad he finally did find it and that he's done such a great job with it. |
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| Smallvillian | Thu May 6, 2004 4:46 pm Post #10 |
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Yes! That performace was just on a whole new level and not only did I think all the things you described about the healing scene but I also thought whatever happened put further strain on his body. He looked drained to me, not to the point of colapse or anything but he just looked like he took a punch. Poor baby. :guilty: And WHY was Martha not having a much bigger reaction?? Her husband just...glowed. I mean, when Clark asked what happened she said "You're father healed you" as if that was all there was to it and I felt like say "Hello. Your husband pretty much laid hands on your son. Don't you find that the least bit shocking and in need of discussion? : :blink: |
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| Whitetiger4 | Thu May 6, 2004 8:14 pm Post #11 |
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I think Martha was just glad her baby was alright! And her reaction to finidng Clark bleeding to death on the floor and slipping in his blood was right on. I know some ppl may think 'why did she just stand there like that?' but trust me, that was a very normal mom reaction to seeing your child hurt! That scene and the one following it were great! I loved how Martha hugged him back down when Jonathan told him about Lex calling. I just thought it was odd that Jonathan was encouraging Clark to go after Jeramiah. It made me think back to how he was telling him not to go after Van in Extinction after he got shot. I guess this was Jor-el's influence we were seeing? |
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| Smallvillian | Thu May 6, 2004 8:43 pm Post #12 |
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Oh, I know she was happy but still :p That was pretty huge. And I thought otherwise her reaction was fine. When in shock people often react slowly and I loved how Jonathan tried to sound calm when you could tell he obviously wasn't. I know what you mean about Jeremiah, too. I was shocked. I thought "OMG. Jonathan is *telling* him to after someone? Not to mention someone with all his powers that could kill him?" That's what makes me think even more that Jonathan knows something we wouldn't think he knows. Like he knows enough from Jor-el about the man Clark will grow to be. He knows he will grow to be a man--so obviously he won't be killed that day. Plus, maybe he just accepts that he won't be there all of Clark's life to take care of him and protect him so he must learn to protect himself just as Clark said. |
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| Renee | Thu May 6, 2004 8:58 pm Post #13 |
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Also, I got the feeling that she realized Jonathan wasn't really up to talking about it much. (Notice how he did his patented changing-the-subject routine when Clark tried to dig too deep!) Oh, and I liked the hug, too. The more I think about this scene -- and re-watch it :) -- the more I think this was quite possibly the best Kent family scene ever. |
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| Whitetiger4 | Thu May 6, 2004 11:13 pm Post #14 |
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ya know, I think you may be right... :) :grouphug: |
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| Guest | Fri May 7, 2004 8:44 pm Post #15 |
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That whole healing scene freaked me out too. I thin jonathan is being taken over by Jor-el. Maybe that's what he meant when he said that Jor-el would always be there in "Legacy." |
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| Renee | Sun May 9, 2004 5:31 am Post #16 |
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Well, he sure looked sad about SOMETHING, poor dear, even as he was looking relieved that he'd been able to be the "vessel." But I think this ought to be a hint to him that J.E. isn't the evil being they all thought he was. (I hope.
:blink: ) And if not, then maybe he has nothing to fear. And now for something completely different: This is a tiny detail, but I thought it was kind of cute. In the scene where Jonathan gets tea (or coffee, or whatever) for Martha and himself, he's drinking out of a mug with a cow on it. Our guy sure does love his cows! :) |
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