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Topic Started: Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:10 pm (513 Views)
Smallvillian
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Is it just me or are we being set up to lose Jonathan? He has less and less time with Clark, and it's Martha who is being given the more weighty scenes now, Although, I have to admit that last Kent scene was the only bright spot in the whole thing for me. I remember thinking 'when Jonathan finds out what Clark did, he is going to be absolutely livid.' And apparently he was--so much so that he had to leave the room!

But still, I'm not feeling good about this reduction in Jonathan's time :unsure:
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Jedikatie
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I'm sort of worried about him, but I keep telling myself that they were largely focused on Jonathan/Clark/Jor-El last year, so maybe they're making this year more of a Martha/Clark season and that's why she has more scenes.

But yeah, it does seem like they want us to get used to the idea that Jonathan is going to be gone soon. :(
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Renee
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It's true they've had that "we can only focus on one parent at a time, so now it's Martha's turn" attitude all season. They've even said pretty nearly that in interviews, and I've complained about it before. (You guys know how I love to complain.)

But whether that was the reason or not -- I did NOT like the implications of Jonathan's being too upset even to show his face in the kitchen. Were we supposed to infer that he was so upset he felt sick and had to lie down? Or am I being paranoid now?

In any event, I'm starting to think it's high time we got a petition started. People always say petitions don't really accomplish anything, and maybe it's true, but at least they make you feel like you're doing something. What do you all think?
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Smallvillian
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I'm up for it!


I don't think it they were saying Jonathan was ill, though. Clark didn't say "Is dad ok?" He said "Is dad still upset?" I took it to mean he just couldn't deal with more red K and more selfish and impossibly niave Clark in that moment and just needed to step out.
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Renee
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Well, I hope you're right. He might have been afraid he'd be tempted to beat the kid over the head with a baseball bat. (Lord knows I wanted to.) Not that it could have hurt Clark, but that kind of thing generally isn't considered good for the father-son relationship!

Anyone know how to start a petition? If not, I can look into it tomorrow. I've seen a site that I think might be a good place to set it up; it must get a lot of hits, because the petitions there seem to collect more signatures than anywhere else.
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Jonathan Fan
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You'd also think Martha would have hit him if she knew she wouldn't break her hand. I would have if my teenage son had come home and told me that he had eloped with a girl who tried to kill her father, Lana, and Clark.
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LivvieLovesClark
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No Jonathan, no Smallville. You can't have Smallville without Jonathan, and if the writer's don't realize this than they don't deserve my loyalty as a fan.
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Renee
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You said it, Livvie!

Okay, I found the petition site. Here it is if you want to see what some of their petitions look like: http://www.petitiononline.com/petition.html (Be warned, some of the "Comments" sections for some of these can get kind of racy and gross. Hopefully we can keep ours clean -- you know Jonathan would prefer it that way! ;) )

We'll need to work on wording. Should we focus on wanting more screen time for Jonathan, or just concentrate on the idea that we want him to survive? Or maybe a little of both? Get those suggestions coming in. Smallvillian, hope you'll weigh in on this if you're around -- you're good at coming up with ideas and putting them into words!
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tomwellingslady
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i think a petition is a great idea let me known when you get it started :p
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kittsbud
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I didn't get the impression Jonathan was sick. If anything I suspect a lil re writing was done of this episode. That's probably why it was choppy, and probably why John wasn't in that scene. It would be easier to say he was still upset than drag JS back just to film two secs of screentime.

I'm up for the petition though folks, just in case ;)
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Jedikatie
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I'll sign too, Renee. :)

I want my Jonathan!
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Renee
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Here's an interesting bit of news: Martha will be in the "Superman" movie (they just cast Eva Marie Saint). No word on Jonathan yet. But if they do decide to have him appear in the movie, I would think that would be a VERY good sign for us!

In other news: I am a complete idiot. I set up the petition improperly, and the petition site has taken it down. :blush :( I'm sorry, guys. If and when we manage to get them to put it back up, I'll let you know.
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Wayne1
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I think you guys are getting all worked up over nothing.

Jonathan Kent has more than proven himself as a great reoccurring character and, according to current Superman legend, is alive and well. While I know he did die in the movies, you have to keep in mind that those movies were shot at a time when the legend said Jonathan and Martha DID die when Clark was in his late teens. I think that may be just one of those places where Singer chooses to go with the current legend instead of what was set down in the previous movies. He was alive in "Lois and Clark" and the animated series. I see no reason for them to change that now.

Fear not, I think Jonathan will be with us by the time "Smallville" ends.
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Renee
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Those are good points, Wayne, and I certainly hope you turn out to be right. There's something that bothers me, though. We keep hearing that Singer plans to follow the continuity of the first "Superman," in which, of course, Clark was still quite young when he lost his dad. And we've heard ad nauseam about G&M's attempts to make their show mesh with Singer's movie, as insisted on by Warner Bros.

So when you put all that together with the fact that "Smallville" Jonathan (a) has a heart condition, ( b ) keeps getting tossed around like a rag doll (and will likely continue to do so -- did you see him wearing a cast in the "Krypto" photo?), and ( c ) has had his screentime drastically reduced this season -- well, one does tend to worry a bit!

All the same, I'll be exceedingly glad if you're correct and we're all fussing over nothing.
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I want Jonathan to live too. It will totally bite if they kill him at the end of this year. I don't care if it does parallel with the movie or not. This is not "Superman" with Christopher Reeve taking over from where Jeff East left off. They shouldn't kill a character because it originally was that way. Superman has been around for over 70 years. It changes with age. Jonathan doesn't always have to die. He's my favorite character in the show and he's what gave the show in the first three seasons and some of the fourth the Christian perspective John Schneider has had since the 1980s.
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Wayne1
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Well, I may have to eat my words (medium rare with a nice ciante, please).

According to the website IESB.com, Ms. Saint has "acknowledged that Martha Kent will be a widow" in this film. Now, I am not completely convinced by this for a number of reasons, the first being the fact that I am not certain of IESB.com's validity as a reporter of entertainment news and they don't reference an official source for this quote. Second, as I've said before, DC Comics and Warner Brothers have successfully portrayed Jonathan Kent as being a part of Superman's adult life for almost twenty years now in the comics, "Lois and Clark", "Superman: TAS", and "Smallville" and I would find it hard to believe that they would desire to make that change now unless they make the decision to kill off Jonathan in the comic books in the next year.

I have read a number of on-line articles which discuss meetings between the makers of the new Superman movie and the makers of "Smallville" in attempts to make certain they aren't stepping on each other's creative toes. That said, we can only assume that if Singer is going to go with the established continuity from the first two Superman movies, then the possibility does exist that Jonathan Kent will die on "Smallville" at some point. But still, the period of time that "Smallville" continues to explore fits within the period of time before Jonathan dies and Clark leaves Smallville for the Arctic, so if Jonathan is going to die, it may not be until the end of the series or after the series ends. Remember, the producers of "Smallville" have already said that they will not end the series with Clark becoming Superman.
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Renee
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Oh, dear. (Starts worrying all over again) :beg:

You're right, though, that if Saint was quoted correctly, there are any number of ways they could handle it without his having to die on the show. Still, I like to think of him living to a ripe old age. Maybe I should just skip the movie and start a comic book collection?

Anyway, I really did want him to be in the movie. Once I heard that Martha was going to be so much older, I was thinking that James Garner would make an excellent Jonathan. That wry, down-to-earth persona of his would be a really good fit for the part.
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Wayne1
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James Garner would be a great choice! I was thinking along the lines of Paul Newman but Garner could pull the down-to-Earth, country-as-heck role off just as well if not better than Glenn Ford did in the original. Another choice might be Robert Duvall (though he's considerably younger than Eva Marie Saint!) when it comes to playing the old wise country father figure (see "Secondhand Lions" if you don't agree; I loved that movie!!).
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miss_linda_lee
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I loved Secondhand Lions!!! Robert Duvall would be good . . . and if Caine wasn't doing Batman Begins, I'd say use him as a possibility too - he can get rid of that English accent. :)
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Renee
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Hey, check out this rumor that's floating around the Internet. This version's from DarkHorizons.com:

"Singer's talking to [Hugh] Jackman about doing an appearance in the film, from what I can gather as Jonathan Kent in flashback scenes to Clark's youth. I don't think it's signed, sealed and delivered - but upon quering what they were talking about, I was told."

Hugh Jackman? Hmm. I think I like this idea. Of course he's not JS, who's the one and only REAL Jonathan to my mind (sorry, Glenn Ford). But they're not going to cast JS, or any other "Smallville" actor, so I guess Jackman can fill the bill pretty well. He's a good actor, plus cute and charming, which is an absolute must. ;)

And I'll be very happy to see Jonathan in the movie at all, even if it's only in flashbacks! If it turns out to be true, that is. I'll let you know when I hear more.
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