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Topic Started: Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:46 pm (189 Views)
Renee
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Lex always wondered why he's survived so many accidents, and he finally figured out that the meteors gave him some sort of immunity. Jonathan has survived even more than Lex, especially in recent months. Do you suppose all this using him as a punching bag could actually lead us back to the "Jonathan has a connection with Clark" storyline suggested by "Crusade"? Is there a chance the characters might discover that this bond is why Jonathan has survived so much, and that it might even ensure his survival on the show?

Oh, and one more (somewhat related) question. Last night when Lois asked Jonathan if he was all right, he mumbled "Yeah" and then something else I couldn't hear, though I tried several times. Did anyone catch that?
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miss_linda_lee
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Renee, I tried to understand it . . . I can't figure out what Jonathan's saying after he says 'Yeah.'
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Renee
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Could he have been saying "Nice dog" to Shelby? I thought it sounded a little like that, but I'm not sure. We need someone with closed captioning!
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I used closed captioning . . . nothing. :(
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miss_linda_lee
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I just re-listened to it - it does sound a lot like 'nice dog.' :)
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Thanks for helping me check into that. :) Now, what about my other theory? Is the "bond" going to come back into play, or is my eternal optimism getting the better of me again?
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It's hard to say. The writers have been such idiots, I'm not sure they have a real plan. But to throw out there that there was an instant cure for Jonathan after everything he did to try to save Clark and not have Clark persue it is the most moronic thing I've ever heard of.

A lot of people are getting bored with SV and as much as certain people complain about our guy, I think they totally miss the fact that Jonathan is who kicked up the drama a lot of the time-- like in Rogue, you just knew he was gonna go in there and mess that cop up and he very nearly did. That's just one example. Jonathan's passion and intensity for his family has been integral to show and what makes a lot of it interesting. I know I'm always thinking--"Oh, if Jonathan would have seen that..." Or "When he finds out what Clark did..." If there were no one there to guide Clark and really keep him in line, I'd be bored as heck watching him make these idiotic choices of his. That's what was very obviously missing from the likes of "pariah." :/
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I thought Jonathan was saying 'good dog' but I can't be sure. Maybe as contrast to the fact that he was calling Shelby a bad dog a short time earlier?

Neat theory, Renee, about Jonathan & Clark's connection. I hope that it's something like that, but with these writers, who knows?


Personally I think they were connected long before the whole incident with Jor-El in Exile. I mean, if you think about it, the ship--while it could have been programmed to fly to Earth, even to Smallville, Kansas, since Jor-El had been there before--couldn't be programmed by Jor-El on Krypton to fly to a specific Kent (either Hiram or Jonathan), unless he was in contact with the computer in the cave wall.

I think Jor-El might have told the ship to make contact when it came into the solar system and determine their locations, and that before he left Earth in 1961, Jor-El had set the cave computer to monitor Hiram & Jonathan's whereabouts just in case he ever needed to return.

I'm almost positive that the ship had to have made a course correction to find Jonathan who was 'chosen' as Clark said at the end of Relic to be his guardian, because the Kents were travelling away from the town, and the meteors seemed to be striking in a fairly straight path back towards the town but the ship crashlanded across the highway in front of them, which indicates to me that it must have turned from its original course because the meteors were following the same trajectory as the ship to Earth.

And have any of you noticed that the only other person that the key opened up into that shield shape for was Jonathan? Dr. Walden got a spiky sort of S shape when it zapped him. And the cave Jor-El and Kara, who was under its control, both referred to him as 'Jonathan Kent' but I never heard either of them refer to Martha that way (or even at all).

These are just some things I noticed, anyone have any thoughts on it?
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I agree, Jedi, I think there's more to Jonathan's connection with Clark than meets the eye . . . now, the question is, will TPTB ever show that?
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Feb 18 2005, 02:13 PM
And have any of you noticed that the only other person that the key opened up into that shield shape for was Jonathan? Dr. Walden got a spiky sort of S shape when it zapped him. And the cave Jor-El and Kara, who was under its control, both referred to him as 'Jonathan Kent' but I never heard either of them refer to Martha that way (or even at all).

These are just some things I noticed, anyone have any thoughts on it?


Good observations. I have been wondering that too. Jonathan definately is an intergal component if you view it from this perspective. It's hard to believe the writers thought that far in advance with the lack of continuity that's been abounding this season. Relic definately left some unanswered questions. The writers could really bring this part of the story to an interesting resolution if they try.
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Good points, Katie! I hadn't even thought about the key or the name thing. As you guys are saying, they've got all the pieces in place for a great resolution -- I'm just hoping very hard that they actually bring them together and don't just let them lie there! It's sad, but I think the writers have gotten lazy this season. I mean, G&M have acknowledged more than once that there've been too many FOTW plots, but what do they do about it? Just keep giving us more . . . and more . . . and more. . . . I can't figure out what's up with them. :scratchhead: So as far as this storyline goes, it's really hard to predict what they'll do.

The way they brought the pieces together in Lex's case was very well done. I had never really given much thought to why Lex survived so many things, but he had, and came up with this meteor shower/immunity theory, and then later he got the idea that he's supposed to be the hero of the Naman (sp?) story -- and you can just see him putting together a kind of "I'm more special than anyone else, so I'm destined to rule" identity. This Jonathan/Clark bond story, IF they follow through with it, could be even better than that one. Even aside from the possibility of physical healing, it has lots of possibilities for a really great emotional storyline as well (a sort of resolution to the feelings J. expressed in "Legacy," for one thing). But this season they've gotten so sloppy that it's starting to look like a big IF.

Maybe when we see the spoilers for the last few episodes of this season, we'll be able to guess more.
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Thanks, guys. I've been puzzling over those details for over a month now, trying to figure out what's up, but hadn't had much luck. I agree, Renee, it would be great resolution if they would ever write it.

I would love to know where Jonathan's mind was while he was in a coma, personally, if we are right about the connection between them, since the doctor told Martha that he was brain dead at the beginning of Crusade. I just wonder if maybe he ended up with Clark for those three months in the wall and can't remember it. Like you said, maybe we'll know more when they tell us some of the spoilers about the upcoming episode with Jor-El in it.

It would be ironic in a way, though, if after they show Jonathan surviving all these attacks by FOTW, Jor-El, etc., (if they do end out killing him, heaven forbid) that of all the things he dies from, it's a heart attack like in the movie.
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Oh, I forgot the thing we've talked about a hundred times around here -- Jonathan's being the only person Clark recognized when he got out of the cave. That HAS to have some kind of significance.

About where Jonathan's mind was during the coma -- I suggested before the season started that he was somehow spiritually with Clark in the cave, keeping him from being brainwashed by JE. That didn't exactly pan out -- Clark WAS brainwashed -- but they did leave room for speculation that Jonathan was "with" him. It's also been suggested -- by Smallvillian, I think -- that Clark in the cave had some kind of memory left of the last sight he'd seen (Jonathan being held by the noose), and was somehow able to prevent JE from killing Jonathan outright.

So many theories, so little time! :) It's fun to try to figure the whole thing out, though.

I'm starting to wonder when JE WILL be back, though. If they leave it to the season finale, that's going to feel kind of strange -- like they put it off just for the sake of putting it off.
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Oh my. I can't believe I hadn't thought of this when the spoiler came out about what Clark remembers. What if he *did* that to Jonathan himself through JE's control? What if that was how JE knew Clark was truly "Kal-El" and ready to return. That would explain why he said he didn't remember what happened and why Jonathan woke up only when Clark was himself again. We don't know how long Jonathan laid on that cave floor before Martha found him. Jor-El had time to over-power Clark and later use Jonathan as a test when the time was right.
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Wait, back up, I'm not sure I got all of that. Do you mean, what if Clark put Jonathan in a coma? Or made him brain-dead? Or something else?

If so, freaky thought! :blink:
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I'm saying what if it was JE at first, but later "Kal-El" who held Jonathan in a coma. It could have been a kind of test, to see if Clark had truly accepted what Jor-El wanted him to be. Then when Kal-El was destroyed, Jonathan was released. I don't like the thought, but it would fit with what we're told.
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*shudders at the thought*

It would explain why Clark didn't tell his parents what he did remember from the summer in the cave wall. And why Kal-El said that Jonathan was dead anyway in Crusade. I hope that isn't what they're doing, but you're right, it does fit.
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And here's the worst part--whatever it is that Clark is not admitting, he's not proud of it and knows it would hurt his family. So now we're supposed to believe that he would come back and act like a complete dipwad to Jonathan over football? I had a hard enough time believing that one when I thought he didn't remember. And why Martha didn't smack the tar out of Clark, I'll never know. That's *her* husband. He almost died several times trying to save Clark, and she's not going to say a word when Clark gets pissy and ungreatful because of a GAME?
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