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Anime Versus Crossover #1 Itachi Uchiha vs Byakuya Kuchiki; I know I'm a terrible person for doing this.
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Topic Started: Jan 18 2014, 01:29 AM (1,465 Views)
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Aurange
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Feb 6 2014, 06:10 PM
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I'm doing something stupid as well now, Squee. xD I've never been a fan of these crossover battles, since there are certain situations and outcomes that vary from universe to universe. I have plenty of arguments for Itachi to win, but I will not throw them out because I know that certain scenarios are very delicate from universe to universe, and are easily disagreed with. All in all, I don't think this will be settled.
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Feb 6 2014, 08:30 PM
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To me, debates are not about winning or "settling" it. It is about giving a logical argument and seeing if the other side pokes holes in it. If they do, you then see if your original idea is still valid and if so, how you can better support it. I am not really expecting everyone to sit down and agree on a winner. I enjoy these because they are a chance to stretch my logic muscles
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Feb 7 2014, 12:19 AM
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Hmm. You have a point. Basically what I would say is that absolutely no one has been seen to bust out of Tsukoyumi, so Itachi has that over Byakuya. However, when it comes to straight up combat Byakuya would win, since it's Bleach. The Bleachverse is obviously more powerful than the Narutoverse. If Itachi wants to win, he has to count on his Tsukuyomi to hit right away. That's not to mention Izanami, which Itachi could potentially use to help himself out if need be, although he'd lose his sight.
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Mar 8 2014, 12:09 AM
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Most likely Itachi. Remember, his amaterasu burns flames as well. It would probably burn through Byakyua's Senbon Zakura. Bleach characters have not demonstrated resistance to illusions.(they were all helpless against Aizen) Tsukyomi is 10X worse than Aizen's illusions since it can make seconds seem like days. Susanoo might even be to durable for Byakyua's Senbon Zakura.(except for when he concentrates it like his fight against bankai Ichigo) It at least won't be immediately destroyed. It's not getting past Yata mirror. Overall, I think it's safe to say Itachi wins.
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Mar 8 2014, 08:50 AM
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- Feb 7 2014, 12:19 AM
Hmm. You have a point. Basically what I would say is that absolutely no one has been seen to bust out of Tsukoyumi, so Itachi has that over Byakuya. However, when it comes to straight up combat Byakuya would win, since it's Bleach. The Bleachverse is obviously more powerful than the Narutoverse. If Itachi wants to win, he has to count on his Tsukuyomi to hit right away. That's not to mention Izanami, which Itachi could potentially use to help himself out if need be, although he'd lose his sight. Bleach verse isn't more powerful than the Naruto verse actually. Other than phsyical strength, there's not that much in the Bleach verse's advantage. Most of Bleach's destruction feats are rivaling, or inferior to the Naruto ones. I do think Bleach fans overrate their characters. Also, I have reason to believe Sasuke and Byakuya have the same level of speed.(I'll demonstrate, but it'll be a pain to find the Bleach scans)
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Mar 8 2014, 08:28 PM
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Quite the fight so I figure I'll throw my 2 cents in. As Squee, and many others, already pointed out the visual prowess of Itachi (aka Tsukuyomi) would be a steep hurdle for Byakuya right out of the gate. Will power alone isn't enough to conquer the powerful Genjutsu and because the Bleach universe doesn't have a counter to such power it's hard to give a counter argument for the leader of the Kuchiki. The only real evidence of Genjutsu-like techniques in Bleach are Aizen and Tsukishima (sort of) and in both cases Byakuya was put at a severe disadvantage partly due to his honor, but more importantly his style of fighting which is very methodical and plan oriented play right into how Itachi tackles his opponents. As Byakuya and Itachi look each other over in order to devise a plan Itachi is already using one of his power techniques and potentially gaining a huge advantage.
Now to give benefit to Byakuya let's say that there is some knowledge on both sides so Itachi and Byakuya have some semblance of what to expect (gotta play fair right?), I do think Byakuya has the fighting potential to combat most opponents with eyes closed however Itachi isn't most opponents. Again a difference in universe becomes apparent. Bleach is much more brute force oriented fights and power-levels whereas Naruto, while filled to the brim with "brutes" and the like, has the strategists and the thinkers (aka Shikamaru, Kakashi, etc) and as such Itachi's strengths as a combatant begin to outshine Byakuya's abilities on the baseline. Tsukuyomi aside Itachi has all of standard Naruto universe jutsus, his elemental attacks, his ninja weaponry, and of course the other ocular jutsus like Izanami and Amaterasu, while Byakuya on the other hand, has essentially one technique which becomes stronger and morphs as the fight goes on. Speaking of Amaterasu, I do believe this technique counters Senbonzakura's multiple forms by burning anything and everything it touches, including the microscopic blades created by Byakuya's Zanpakuto. Finally we have Susano'o, which in the case of Itachi, has both the Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror making the transformation even more powerful (ridiculous?) if the fight even reached that point.
As much as I like Byakuya I just don't see a win for him. As Darkness said there differences between the universes that automatically put Byakuya at a disadvantage in this crossover, but even looking beyond that (namely Tsukuyomi) Itachi still holds the advantage in my eyes. The fact is that Itachi has a plethora of techniques at his disposal while Byakuya as very few to work with. As far as I'm concerned Itachi takes this one no matter if both parties have prep-time or not.
Edited by Pulse, Mar 8 2014, 08:33 PM.
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Mar 9 2014, 06:21 PM
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- Mar 8 2014, 08:28 PM
Quite the fight so I figure I'll throw my 2 cents in. As Squee, and many others, already pointed out the visual prowess of Itachi (aka Tsukuyomi) would be a steep hurdle for Byakuya right out of the gate. Will power alone isn't enough to conquer the powerful Genjutsu and because the Bleach universe doesn't have a counter to such power it's hard to give a counter argument for the leader of the Kuchiki. The only real evidence of Genjutsu-like techniques in Bleach are Aizen and Tsukishima (sort of) and in both cases Byakuya was put at a severe disadvantage partly due to his honor, but more importantly his style of fighting which is very methodical and plan oriented play right into how Itachi tackles his opponents. As Byakuya and Itachi look each other over in order to devise a plan Itachi is already using one of his power techniques and potentially gaining a huge advantage.
Now to give benefit to Byakuya let's say that there is some knowledge on both sides so Itachi and Byakuya have some semblance of what to expect (gotta play fair right?), I do think Byakuya has the fighting potential to combat most opponents with eyes closed however Itachi isn't most opponents. Again a difference in universe becomes apparent. Bleach is much more brute force oriented fights and power-levels whereas Naruto, while filled to the brim with "brutes" and the like, has the strategists and the thinkers (aka Shikamaru, Kakashi, etc) and as such Itachi's strengths as a combatant begin to outshine Byakuya's abilities on the baseline. Tsukuyomi aside Itachi has all of standard Naruto universe jutsus, his elemental attacks, his ninja weaponry, and of course the other ocular jutsus like Izanami and Amaterasu, while Byakuya on the other hand, has essentially one technique which becomes stronger and morphs as the fight goes on. Speaking of Amaterasu, I do believe this technique counters Senbonzakura's multiple forms by burning anything and everything it touches, including the microscopic blades created by Byakuya's Zanpakuto. Finally we have Susano'o, which in the case of Itachi, has both the Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror making the transformation even more powerful (ridiculous?) if the fight even reached that point.
As much as I like Byakuya I just don't see a win for him. As Darkness said there differences between the universes that automatically put Byakuya at a disadvantage in this crossover, but even looking beyond that (namely Tsukuyomi) Itachi still holds the advantage in my eyes. The fact is that Itachi has a plethora of techniques at his disposal while Byakuya as very few to work with. As far as I'm concerned Itachi takes this one no matter if both parties have prep-time or not. I'd like to point out something. The bleach verse isn't automatically more powerful than the Naruto verse. In fact, many bleach characters have inferior destruction feats compared to the Naruto verse in some ways. For instance, they have yet to match the juubi's biju dama. The only thing that has even matched the explosion from the biju dama clash when Naruto fought 5 bijus was Soi Fon's bankai.
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Mar 9 2014, 06:41 PM
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uuhhhh wrong a cero can do that as well. even a getsuga tensho can do that
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Pulse
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Mar 9 2014, 08:17 PM
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@ Desolator - I'm not sure why copying my post adds any validity to your comment. Nowhere in my post do I say that Naruto or Bleach has the higher power level. I did say that they are very different in their approach to fights. Bleach is very brute force in a way similar to DragonBall Z while Naruto is driven more by prodigy and skill. That doesn't mean that one version is inherently better than the other, but instead that there are differences between them which should be weighed when determining the victor for a cross-over engagement. Now all that said I do disagree with you that Bleach is the "weaker" universe. Bleach has been a very explosive series right from the get go with buildings, mountains, and whole towns being destroyed by singular people which was not even a thing in Naruto until very recently. If anything this evolution into overly powerful characters in Naruto is a detriment to the actual story telling, but that is neither here nor there Taking current Naruto compared to current Bleach I would put them fairly close together in terms of raw destructive power.
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Mar 10 2014, 08:39 AM
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My thoughts on the fight:
Itachi Uchiha:

Characteristics
- One of the greatest assassins to ever exist in a fictional universe that's flooded with "ninjas".
- Extremely calculated off and on field battle strategist.
- Only concern seems to be his long term goals, i.e., will not concern himself with issues like "combative honor"
- Regarded as "the world's greatest spy" and known for being a master of manipulation.
- Since he was a child, he was said to have the intellect and perceptive skills of a Kage. (Kage's are the most skilled Fighters and wisest members of the naruto Universe.)
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- Taijutsu: aka "Physical arts" Trained to be one of the Anbu Black Ops greatest, if not the greatest, members, Itachi's rating in the official guide is 4.5 out of 5.
- Ninjutsu: aka "elemental/chakra manipulated arts" With a already learned library of techniques, Itachi is also able to replicate many techniques he's observed in his life, with his sharingan, giving him the rating of 5 out of 5 in the official guide.
- Sharingan: Can sense/see Chakra/Reiryoku(bleach chakra). Can predict and react to abnormal movement/techniques. Can literally copy a foreign technique. Locking eyes can result in paralysis/illusions. (A shadow clone, using 30% of Itachi's power, used a regular Sharingan Genjutsu on Naruto which was stated to be so powerful, only the touch of another's chakra could remove the paralysis.)
- Mangekyō Sharingan: Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Susanoo
- Tsukuyomi: The genjutsu equivalent of a torturous lobotomy, only able to be stopped by someone who share's it's user's blood.
- Amaterasu: Upon laying one's sight on an opponent, said object is engulfed in dark, never extinguishing, flames, said to be hotter than the sun.
- Susanoo: Overal boost in power, armor, and size. Proper access to 2 legendary artifacts: The Sword of Totsuka & the Yata Mirror.
- The Sword of Totsuka: Anything Cut by this blade is absorbed by it, placed under an inescapable Genjutsu, and is sealed, forever, within the sword's sheath.
- Yata Mirror: A shield capable of deflecting any physical attack, and absorbing any elemental/spiritual technique. (often called "the ultimate shield")
- Yasaka Magatama: Said to be the ultimate long ranged attack, it's rumored that any living thing it makes contact with, will die.(but to be fair I'll only assume it hurts a lot lol)
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Byakuya Kuchiki:

Characteristics
- One of the greatest swordsmen in the bleach universe.
- Equally, if not more, trained in Kido(sorcery) as he is trained in swordplay.
- Has immense spiritual pressure, which is not only telling of his power, but can also be physically imposing to those far weaker than him. (This effect varies from invoking paralyzing fear in other, to forcing a physical response in their bodies, such as causing one to collapse and foam at the mouth)
- Posses insane endurance that has allowed him to withstand several severe lacerations to crippling areas and continue to fight at near full force.
- Very well educated, over thousands of years, in battle strategy.
- Is concerned with a code of honor off and on the battle field.
- Posses great arrogance, even going to far as to refrain from using skills until he's verified that his opponent is worthy of even witnessing them.
| Skills
- Swordsmanship: Having mastered his blade over thousands of years, and being one of the few to posses a bankai (something that traditionally takes thousands of dedicated years to master), one would be wise, not to test Byakuya's abilities with a sword.
- Shunpo: A technique that allows it's user to move faster than the eye can follow. (NOTE: this is not teleportation, rather, it's the boosting of speed through Hohō mastered by one's ability to minimize the number of steps needed to get from point A to point B.)
- Senka: A technique that uses Shupo to attempt to cut an opponent in areas that will cut off their flow of Reiryoku/Chakra.
- Utsusemi: A technique that uses Shunpo in a way that leaves an afterimage at point A, to confuse one's opponent.
- Kido: Byakuya has a large list of spells in his arsenal, many of which we've yet to see. However, the ones we have seen have ranged from highly defensive binding spells, to formidably offensive spells that release lighting from his finger tip.
- Senbonzakura(Shikai): His blade scatters into a thousand fragments that can be manipulated by him to levitate and move at outstanding speeds. One of his favorite strategies is to use many of these fragments to create a protective force field around him that will shred attempts to pass it.
- Senbonzakura Kageyoshi(Bankai): Much larger version of Senbonzakura's Shikai. After having used this technique, Byakuya can increase the speed of his fragment with hand gestures.
- Senkai(Kageyoshi's true form): A technique that requires a great amount of Byakuya's own blood, Senkai forfeits over a bit of defense in favor of additional offense, by forcing the many fragments of his blade to take the shape of countless blades that will over around a large area, to form what looks like an arena of swords. In said arena, Byakuya can cause entire blades to move towards his opponent at blindingly fast speeds.
- Shūkei, Hakuteiken: This condenses each and every one of his blades into a single, potent sword, drastically increasing its cutting power.
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The Bout
 
Some things I'd like to get out of the way: 2 "What If" scenarios. The Following are 2 scenarios I'd like to keep out of the discussion, as I feel that they're too circumstantial. However, if you feel very strongly that one of these 2 scenarios is what would in fact actually happen, feel free to post about it, so long as you address the issue of likelihood that comes with it.
Obligatory "What If": Locked Eyes at the Start of the Battle
Itachi's quite steps echo throughout the silent halls of the Kuchiki family's royal mansion. One arm hanging to his side, while his other rests, tucked deep into his coat, Itachi worries not, of what's to come. He slowly presses against the royal door, about to enter a sacred room of meditation, in which, byakuya sat, legs folded over one another. Before he could introduce himself, Itachi was silenced by how much Byakuya's spiritual pressure increased. Having fully realized how powerful his opponent was, he activates Tsukuyomi while his eyes are still locked with the condescendingly emotionless eyes of his opponent. For Byakya, the room turned from white to velvet, and as Itachi walked towards him, he found himself unable to move. Ever drawing closer, crows began to caw as they land on and around Byakuya. Beginning to peck at his eyes, Kuchiki tries, with all his might, to close them, but his efforts are fruitless. An unusual tugging sensation inside his skull is felt by him, as he screams out in pain. Now blind, he find himself focusing on the feeling of his neck now being able to relax and hang down, and the insensate cawing of the crows. Itachi, now only a meter's distance, draws his blade. Byakuya feels a strange slipping sensation as, what he thinks to be someone's cold fingers, runs across his throat. Itachi pulls his blade away from Byakuya and wipes it clean as the shinigami fades away.
| Obligatory "What If": Byakuya Considers Itachi a Serious Threat From the Start and Takes Precautions Attempting to attack Kuchiki Byakuya from the shadows, Itachi carefully moves within them. However, in spite of his outstanding stealth, Byakuya takes notice of movements. Itachi sees this and quickly makes the appropriate gestures to release a large burst of fire at his opponent. Kuchiki takes note of his opponent's reliance on the manipulation of Reiryoku and quickly performs shunpo to evade the attack. With vibrant flames in the way of his vision, Itachi's sharingan was no use to him and Byakuya's movements remained a bizzare mystery. Quickly trying to reestablish his opponent's coordinates, it was already too late. Byakuya started what he decided was the wisest answer to this sort of opponent and attempted Senka. Having his chakra made useless to him, Itachi's eyes revert from their sharingan state. However, now being aware of his opponent's location, he quickly pulls his blade and turns to end his opponent. As he expected, his blade cut straight through Byakuya, like a knife through butter. A single moment passed before Itachi realized something was wrong, but that was enough time for Byakuya to press his finger against itachi's back. "white lightning". A burst of light ripped through Itachi and blew away the illusion set in front of him by Utsusemi.
| Specifications and Limitations
- Neither Fighter knows anything about the other fighter
- General knowledge of each from both universes is available to each fighter. I.E. Byakuya knows of and about sharingan eyes, but he's not aware Itachi has them.
- Byakuya's being a spirit (which, in the bleach universe, may be unaffected by the physical world.) will not be factored in. In other words, No saying "Itachi can't even touch him!"
- Itachi's eye sight is fine
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