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New Mvp Rule
Topic Started: Jun 4 2014, 07:48 PM (2,738 Views)
Squee913
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It comes to the Staff's attention that many people in the past have misunderstood who should be sent to the MVP tournament. Some teams would send whoever they felt had the best chance of winning no matter if they really deserved it or not. Others would send whoever they liked the best instead of who really earned the spot. Remember, the MVP tournament is not supposed to be taken too seriously. It is a slap stick event intended to show off the seasons best performers in a silly event where anything can happen. IF you are in it to win it, you are doing it wrong.

Now that we have actual stats, we have decided to enact a simple rule. Your highest damaging player automatically goes to the MVP. While who is an MVP is sometimes subjective, it is hard to argue that the highest damaging player is not MVP material. The MVP is not who you liked best or who you think will win. It should be the person that stepped onto the field week after week and performed best. The highest average damage is the simplest way to tell this.

Some people may not be the biggest fan of this, but this is the only way to keep teams from violating the whole point of the MVP tournament. In addition it will help to ensure we see new face at the tournament instead of seeing the same people year after year because they are good 1 on 1 fighters.

So, here is the list of everyone going to the MVP tournament:

Androids: Cell
Blades: Cyborg Tao
Buus: Kid Buu
Cold: Frieza
Derp: Dodoria
Dragonball Warriors: Nam
ED: Mid Goku
Ginyu Force: Recoome
Gohans: Teen Gohan
Majins: Majuub
Muscle: The Rosh
Nameks: Tambourine
Rugrats: Goten
Saiyans: Scouter vegeta
SSJs: End Vegeta
Vals: Fasha
Edited by Squee913, Jun 6 2014, 11:20 PM.
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Faemles
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For arguments sake lets say a team has two high ranked players fairly close to each other in damage, like only a couple thousand away.Can that team possibly argue (maybe though pms) that the lower ranked player is the MVP due to clutch performances that swung games or something of the like?

Obviously this isn't a problem for my team, but there may be some special cases out there.
Edited by Faemles, Jun 5 2014, 10:45 AM.
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Squee913
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Any exceptions can be filed to the staff using Exception form 1A. Please keep in mind that any such requests can take up to 6 weeks to process. :P

Seriously, you are always welcome to try, but the point is to take the wiggle room out of it so people don't try to come up with creative way to get who they want in there instead of who deserves to go.
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I agree that the MVP should be based on who is the best in the season and not just who we think will do the best. That said, I don't agree with these rules. Especially since Teen Gohan isn't even the highest damaging player on our team. We were planning on sending Future Gohan because he has gone out week after week and has done very consistent high damage and performed very well. The highest average damage is a bad indicator for this. With Teen Gohan doing very high damage with his ultimates, that means just hitting with a few will put him in very high damage even if he does horribly most of the season.

Future Gohan on the other hand has been our best player on the team for the entire season, always doing consistent damage.

Like I said, I agree that the best player from each team should go, but I don't feel this is a good way to go about it. Perhaps adding an approval system that requires each team's coach to submit who the team feels should go and give the reasons why.

Edit: for clarity
Edited by Obsidianmoon, Jun 5 2014, 04:38 PM.
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Teen Gohan isn't even the highest damaging player on our team.
Have you looked at the stats for week 15? You'll find he is the most damaging player on your team. I don't know where you're getting that impression.
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We were planning on sending Future Gohan because he has gone out week after week and has done very consistent high damage and performed very well. The highest average damage is a bad indicator for this.
Obviously not as much as Teen Gohan has. You're talking about damage done over the course of thirteen matches. A couple of ultimates in a couple of matches is about 80k, give or take. That isn't going to do a huge amount spread over the course of the whole season.

I really don't understand how anyone can claim that the character on your team that's done the highest average damage over the entire season isn't the character you'd be least willing to part with. And therefore by definition your Most Valuable Player... MVP. To go into the MVP Tournament. Even the odd off week isn't going to make much of a difference, unless it's incredibly close. The only possible way it might be the case is if the character's a constant finisher, even then you'll struggle to argue they're the most valuable because you don't see them fighting often or long enough to make that judgement.
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Have you looked at the stats for week 15? You'll find he is the most damaging player on your team. I don't know where you're getting that impression.


I got that from looking at the season 5 statistics google document here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmFutBw1xc-vdGhJWnptQUNJaXRFLWhxM01xSnZWTHc&output=html

Then I realized it had apparently not been updated for half the season. Forgot to delete that line

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Obviously not as much as Teen Gohan has. You're talking about damage done over the course of thirteen matches. A couple of ultimates in a couple of matches is about 80k, give or take. That isn't going to do a huge amount spread over the course of the whole season.


Exactly, over 13 matches. In which Future Gohan has done well every match except a few. There were matches where Future Gohan didn't even come out and so couldn't get any more damage to add to his record. The other match is the one match where we tried him as a starter (to counter any arguments saying we want him because we think he would do the best in the tournament) and that was his worst week by far, getting completely slaughtered. This one week is what made Future Gohan dip below Teen in damage.

Teen Gohan has had trouble hitting with his ultimates most of the season. The last few matches he hit with several and that skyrocketed his damage up. The only time he even did decent damage was strictly his ultimates and those were very unreliable at best.

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I really don't understand how anyone can claim that the character on your team that's done the highest average damage over the entire season isn't the character you'd be least willing to part with. And therefore by definition your Most Valuable Player... MVP. To go into the MVP Tournament.


Because damage isn't the entire thing that makes a character most valuable. I would say that having a character come out and do consistently well for an entire season is more valuable than a character that just does a lot of damage only if he gets lucky and hits with a single attack. Future Gohan was our worst character in season 4. We worked really hard to make him as good as he is now, and I feel that he is the one that deserves to go. If Teen Gohan ends up being forced to go, then I will be extremely disappointed and unable to take the tournament seriously knowing that the character that is truly most valuable cannot go to a "most valuable" tournament.

Edit: I can't disagree with the arguments for Teen Gohan. While I would still like Future Gohan to go, it is "most valuable" player and not "most deserving" player. TG did end up ahead in the end.

Edited by Obsidianmoon, Jun 7 2014, 04:18 PM.
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Player Rankings
Week 1Week 2Week 3Week 4Week 5Week 6Week 7Week 8Week 9Week 10Week 11Week 12Week 13Week 14Week 15
Future Gohan4171815434414589191721
Teen Gohan39424527282222182120226559


Looking at the overall player rankings of both of them for each week, Future Gohan was in the top 10 8 out of the 15 weeks. He was in the top 20 for every single week except the last one.

Teen Gohan was in the top 10 for only the last 4 matches, since his one week going Elite status. Until then he only hit within the top 20 in week 8.

I would clearly say that Future Gohan was the most valuable for the entire season, yes.

Edit:
Future Gohan - total: 162 Average: 10.8
Teen Gohan - total: 331 Average: 22.06..
Edited by Obsidianmoon, Jun 5 2014, 06:15 PM.
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Thank god, Kid trunks cant actually get it a third time... not this season at least.
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Jun 5 2014, 07:19 PM
Thank god, Kid trunks cant actually get it a third time... not this season at least.
Oh, be quiet. I could probably make a case for getting Trunks in, but it would take too much work. :P
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Obsidian, your stats for how many "ranks" the two had is fundamentally flawed. It gets harder to achieve a higher rank as the season progresses. The more matches you have, the harder it becomes to raise or lower your average. So to treat ranks held by Future Gohan in the early part of the season as equal to ranks held by Teen Gohan in later parts of the season is flawed. Mathematics states that the more numbers you have, the more accurate your average. Week 15 rankings are far more accurate a picture of the strengths of this league's players than Week 7.


But hey, you like numbers so I will give you numbers.

Future Gohan did around 487,000 total points of damage this season. Teen Gohan did around 603,000 points of damage.
Teen Gohan Beat Future Gohan in number of B2 fired and connection rate.
Teen Gohan beat Future Gohan in number of ultiamtes fired and connection rate
Teen Gohan beat Future Gohan in number of tags
Teen Gohan beat Future Gohan in highest amount of damage done in one match (116,000 to 105,000)
In fact, Teen Gohan beat Future Gohan in every stat i could find save, clashes... Go Future Gohan!

So in what way shape or form is Future Gohan your most valuable player? Show me anything that would convince us that Furture Gohan had a better season than Teen Gohan. After looking at the numbers, I would argue that you are not taking the tournament, and it's spirit, seriously if you "didn't" choose Teen Gohan.
Edited by Squee913, Jun 6 2014, 12:37 AM.
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