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New Mvp Rule
Topic Started: Jun 4 2014, 07:48 PM (2,739 Views)
Squee913
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It comes to the Staff's attention that many people in the past have misunderstood who should be sent to the MVP tournament. Some teams would send whoever they felt had the best chance of winning no matter if they really deserved it or not. Others would send whoever they liked the best instead of who really earned the spot. Remember, the MVP tournament is not supposed to be taken too seriously. It is a slap stick event intended to show off the seasons best performers in a silly event where anything can happen. IF you are in it to win it, you are doing it wrong.

Now that we have actual stats, we have decided to enact a simple rule. Your highest damaging player automatically goes to the MVP. While who is an MVP is sometimes subjective, it is hard to argue that the highest damaging player is not MVP material. The MVP is not who you liked best or who you think will win. It should be the person that stepped onto the field week after week and performed best. The highest average damage is the simplest way to tell this.

Some people may not be the biggest fan of this, but this is the only way to keep teams from violating the whole point of the MVP tournament. In addition it will help to ensure we see new face at the tournament instead of seeing the same people year after year because they are good 1 on 1 fighters.

So, here is the list of everyone going to the MVP tournament:

Androids: Cell
Blades: Cyborg Tao
Buus: Kid Buu
Cold: Frieza
Derp: Dodoria
Dragonball Warriors: Nam
ED: Mid Goku
Ginyu Force: Recoome
Gohans: Teen Gohan
Majins: Majuub
Muscle: The Rosh
Nameks: Tambourine
Rugrats: Goten
Saiyans: Scouter vegeta
SSJs: End Vegeta
Vals: Fasha
Edited by Squee913, Jun 6 2014, 11:20 PM.
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Faemles
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Jun 12 2014, 12:26 PM
A difference in the average damage, no matter how small, is by definition an objective matter, not a subjective one. Being objective is dealing with the thing itself. Being subjective is dealing with one's thoughts, biases, and opinions about the thing. Objectively, Dodoria has an average damage 800 higher than 19, end of story. Subjectively, you might feel that small of a difference should be offset by other extenuating circumstances. Because people were using subjective reasoning to manipulate the spirit of the tournament the staff decided to stick with strictly objective requirements.
Due to hoe manny numbers we have and how high these numbers are plus the margin of human error recording these numbers, and the players usual placement on the lineup 800 is so insignificant in this case, any basic statistics class will tell you that.

Maybe it should be handled like we do divisional rankings, whether is a tie... Or number so close they are statistically irrelevant we move n to an other stats kitty did say he had estimates on damage taken...what do you think a bout that?
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A difference in the average damage, no matter how small, is by definition an objective matter, not a subjective one. Being objective is dealing with the thing itself. Being subjective is dealing with one's thoughts, biases, and opinions about the thing. Objectively, Dodoria has an average damage 800 higher than 19, end of story. Subjectively, you might feel that small of a difference should be offset by other extenuating circumstances. Because people were using subjective reasoning to manipulate the spirit of the tournament the staff decided to stick with strictly objective requirements.
Due to hoe manny numbers we have and how high these numbers are plus the margin of human error recording these numbers, and the players usual placement on the lineup 800 is so insignificant in this case, any basic statistics class will tell you that.

Maybe it should be handled like we do divisional rankings, whether is a tie... Or number so close they are statistically irrelevant we move n to an other stats kitty did say he had estimates on damage taken...what do you think a bout that?


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For instance, Dedoria only did 800 more average damage than 19...
800 average damage. Over 15 weeks that's 12k damage total in order to achieve that average. Those two things are completely different. By all means argue, but at least think about it and do the maths on it first. Besides which, as Sith says, numbers are by definition objective. 12k is 12k no matter what way you swing it.
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Have you tried recording damage rebel? Real question I know there was a stats thing before this one don't know if you contributed. But those number FLY past I wouldn't be surprised if on most matches there is a 1000ish margin of error per player.
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Yes, since you ask, I have. I used to do it every now and then for my own interest back when things started. I used to watch my matches a few times, record the damage each time and compare. If there was anything off by more than 1k I used to go back and re-check *shrug* It takes a long time, it's why I've never volunteered to do it for the stats team, I don't have the time or patience. But if you think the stats are that unreliable and that problematic then, I'm sorry, but you need to be more careful when recording those stats.
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I stayed away from damage like the plague because I didn't trust. Myself enough to be patient and get it all right.

Let me pose another question to you then. Knowing that there is some human error maybe not 1000 but there is some. And that avg damage does not perfectly determine the player with the most value, and ignoring league 'politics' you don't have to worry about making anyone sad.how would you determine the MVP of a team with 2 players with 1 point of damage off of each other?
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Not doubt there is some, but I think it entirely depends on the person doing the stat's ability to pause and read numbers off the screen. Reading damage done is very easy on a video, it's just time consuming if you want to do it properly. I see the question as completely irrelevant, to be honest, as the situation is highly unlikely to ever be within that range. However, since you ask, I personally would determine the MVP by going through the matches and figuring out who had the tougher opponents and how they matched up against those opponents. It's arguably the fairest way of doing things. In that situation however you're being incredibly subjective, even if you use the stats to determine player strength, since you're also matching up different styles of play. Even then it's still reasonable to argue that the player with the higher damage was more valuable that season, one more than 40k is still more than 40k.

As I've stated before - people who thing they have a legitimate claim and are willing to go the distance to prove it will be at least given a chance to argue their corner. But, at the end of the day, the player on your team that's done the most damage is the player that contributed the most to your team, regardless of the situation they've been placed in. That's completely undeniable.
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Jun 12 2014, 01:40 PM
As I've stated before - people who thing they have a legitimate claim and are willing to go the distance to prove it will be at least given a chance to argue their corner. But, at the end of the day, the player on your team that's done the most damage is the player that contributed the most to your team, regardless of the situation they've been placed in. That's completely undeniable.
That's really all I can ask, but you have to understand my confusion, you guys were also saying that we can't make exceptions because it was unfair. Maybe I was unclear but all I was going for was for you guys to listen to possible exceptions, so I don't understand why when ever I brought it up I was so vehemently shot down.
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The reason it was "shot down", as you say, is because it's so unlikely to change our stance. It's not impossible, but, as I said earlier in this thread, you're going to have a huge amount of indisputable evidence to have us agree to anything. Which, so far no-one has been capable of doing, and I for one can't see happening (and I've tried to do so to myself from a coach point of view).
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Question - does Gotrunks count as a separate character from Goten and Trunks as far total damage dealt is concerned, and if so a hypothetical for future tournaments: what if Gotrunks is the highest damaging character for the Rugrats? Does he then go to the MVP tournament as MVP for the Rugrats?
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1. Gotenks is counted as two characters since it requires Goten and Trunks to fuse.

2. Gotenks' damage is split between Goten and Trunks. Otherwise the second he stepped on the field, he would be the highest damaging character, the Rugrats would be the Highest damaging team, and it would skew every player/team ranking in their favor.

Because of this, Gotenks will never be in the MVP tournament.
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