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| Crossover #6 Natsu Dragneel vs Tsuna | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 12 2014, 01:16 AM (794 Views) | |
| TRYTOBEATMENOW | Jun 14 2014, 01:08 PM Post #11 |
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Captain of Akatsuki/ Supporter of ED/ Creator of the Pokemon League
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After reading a bit his [dying will flames] sound like hellfire that a character like comic character ghost rider would use so I'd say he'd be able to consume them but if they are magic flames like the flames of rebuke that jellal gave natsu then natsu will actually be able to consume them naturally since the rebuke flames were eaten while he had his magic still. |
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| CrimsonFlame | Jun 14 2014, 01:38 PM Post #12 |
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What exactly is hellfire? |
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| TRYTOBEATMENOW | Jun 14 2014, 06:29 PM Post #13 |
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Captain of Akatsuki/ Supporter of ED/ Creator of the Pokemon League
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Its flames from hell and if you know what greek fire is then you know that it tends to burn on almost any surface including water, also it tends to stay a flame for a period of time kinda like amaterasu but it can't be deactivated like it. |
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| CrimsonFlame | Jun 14 2014, 06:54 PM Post #14 |
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Well, it still resembles actual fire whilst a dying flame does not. The manga/anime is very vague about so I really don't think we can determine it one or the other. If it can be absorbed, it makes sense that Tsuna's "Zero Point Breakthrough: Revised" works on Natsu's flame. The type of the flame is irrelevant because Tsuna uses Sky's "harmony" to purify the flame to match his own before absorbing it. Irrespective of this, Tsuna's Hyper Intuition and speed through propulsion would still be too much for Natsu. |
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| TRYTOBEATMENOW | Jun 14 2014, 07:03 PM Post #15 |
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Captain of Akatsuki/ Supporter of ED/ Creator of the Pokemon League
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But you'll forgetting about lightning-flame mode and also dragon force with lightning-flame mode giving him twice the power of his normal flames and also the strength of laxus's lightning and laxus is powerful enough to take on one the strongest ten wizard saints. Dragon Force gives him the strength of the dragon that raised him which was igneel who was the king of flame dragons and one of the most powerful dragons to have exist. One more thing I forgot to mention is his ability called flames of emotions which intensify his flames to melt away solid stone and other strong materials. |
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| CrimsonFlame | Jun 14 2014, 08:32 PM Post #16 |
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The strength of flames is irrelevant in Tsuna's Zero Point Breakthrough. It was first introduced in his battle against Xanxus, at which point, Xanxus' wrath flames were much stronger than anything Tsuna could produce. Hence, the strength of Dragon Force is invalidated with this technique, all transforms into sky flames. Tsuna's technique turns all flames into sky flames. This includes "lightning flames", which are really lightning. If we are equating the two, I thought it would only be fair to allow Tsuna to absorb the flame. As it isn't pure lightning, Tsuna should be able to absorb it. Excluding all the absorption, I still think Tsuna would win. I am not refuting Natsu's power, I am just saying Natsu is too slow. To provide an example of Tsuna's propulsion speed, he was able to stop himself from being absorbed by Enma's black holes. He just needs to get close to Natsu and use Hyper Intuition to overpower him (as he did to Bermuda). |
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| TRYTOBEATMENOW | Jun 14 2014, 08:57 PM Post #17 |
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Captain of Akatsuki/ Supporter of ED/ Creator of the Pokemon League
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Dragon Force doesn't just increase his magic power but his entire power including strength, speed, etc. but in the end it does come down to who is faster between the two but I do believe Natsu has strength over tusna but there's no way any of us could figure out their max output of speed at 100% power since that would require much calculation on our part. |
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| CrimsonFlame | Jun 14 2014, 10:47 PM Post #18 |
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I can't bring up figures - just feats, and flying away from a black hole shows speed (as a result of propulsion power) much greater than anything Natsu has shown. Imagine the same done without the binding of the black hole's gravity. Then, add a greater control because of Ultimate Dying Will (and probably a greater speed as well). Now, he could fly at Natsu at this speed and hold his fist out (the speed itself will give him all the strength he needs) before Natsu could react. He wouldn't need to waste time starting up because he usually fights while flying around anyway. And I am pretty sure Tsuna's Hyper Intuition can avoid Natsu. After all, he did punch a guy who was coming at him at light speed. If he can anticipate an attack as fast and unpredictable as that (Bermuda was also warping all around the place), he should be able to avoid Natsu with considerable ease. [I assumed people would expect spoilers and didn't bother with tags] Frankly, I don't see Tsuna tanking Natsu's more powerful attacks (Dragon Power) without Zero Point Breakthrough, but, I also can't see Tsuna getting hit by said attacks because of Zero Point Breakthrough and Hyper Intuition, and, I can't see Natsu avoiding any of Tsuna's high-speed attacks. |
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| HavocTheGreat | Jun 14 2014, 10:49 PM Post #19 |
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Former Gohan Coach
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I think natsu could win because during his fight with hades he had the ability to attack with fire or lighting or both when in is lighting fire dragon mode plus dragon force would increase his strength immensely. |
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| toshiro | Jun 14 2014, 10:54 PM Post #20 |
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Former Naruto League Staff/Coach of Hidden Sound/Supporter of the Androids/NL & DBZL Tester
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Also not to mention if u see laxus move in his lightning form natsu was able to do the same cuz he has the same power and is more powerful than him at the time |
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