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Which method would you prefer?
By Divisional Placement 9 (29%)
By Win/Loss Record 22 (71%)
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Divisional Placement: What's your opinion?
Topic Started: Aug 25 2014, 12:32 AM (702 Views)
Aurange
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Team Jinchūriki Captain/Naruto League Owner/Dragon Ball Warriors Coach
Alright everyone, so there has been an issue that has come to my attention lately. It's about the way that divisional placement is to be decided from season to season. Originally, I posted in the Playoff Structure thread that it would be conducted based on what places teams were in their respective divisions, and at the end of the main season, depending on what spot they were in, they would be put in a different division next season.

1st spot teams went to Kage Division, 2nd spot teams went to Jonin Division, 3rd spot teams went to Chunin Division, and 4th spot teams went to Genin Division.

However, I have heard a request of changing it to the way DBZ League operates; being based on win/loss record. The four highest teams w/l wise go to Kage Division, the four second highest teams w/l wise go to Jonin Division, and so on. If you came to an impasse where there were more than four teams with the same record, you would then find out which teams among those have beaten whom, and calculate the respective division using that data. The reason this was brought to my attention was for the purpose of power scaling. The concern was that with the current method, divisions would be way out of whack when it came to power differences and thus keeping certain teams at the top of their divisions repeatedly. Now, there is no guarantee this will happen, but it is a possibility.

So, I'm going to let the community decide.

My question to you is that since the main season is not over and done with yet, which method would you choose? I'll leave a poll up for you guys to vote on.

You all have until Week 15's recording date (August 31st) to vote. Once we get to that date, it is to be decided.
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Bom Ramen
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The Kage division should be the best teams. A win/loss record is our best option at measuring who the best teams are. I vote win/loss
Edited by Bom Ramen, Aug 25 2014, 01:32 AM.
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GomelJak
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I'd like the idea of the Win/Lose record determining what division each team goes to
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it seems fair to those who win against everyone else but lose against division so win/loss record
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Pulse
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I vote the opposite. Current system with Divisional position (excluding the option of Playoff position being the determinant factor) is the better long-term answer. In the short term W/L works but with each subsequent season we will see Divisions become stagnant and thus diminishes the overall value of how each team approaches strategy for inner-divisional fights (since there is potential to grow complacent after fighting the same divisionals in each season). With the format Naruto League facilitates it will be impossible to see drastic changes from Season to Season in terms of Divisional position when some teams are just inherently better than others. For example after 2 or 3 seasons we will quickly see that Kage and Jounin Division will be mostly predetermined before matches even start while Chuunin and Genin teams will fight for that small chance to pierce the "upper divisions". With consistent play from some teams season after season Divisional placement will lose it's point outside of required existence. Divisions shouldn't just be a creation from which the League functions but also an addition to the League that facilitates future challenges and change. A long winded 2 cents but pretty important topic as far as I am concerned.
Edited by Pulse, Aug 25 2014, 10:10 AM.
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vegeta_8892
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I actually voted for doing it the W/L way. However, nova has a very good point. In the current way any team potentially has the chance to reach Kage. Going by W/L record that becomes a heck of a lot less likely.
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Aurange
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Team Jinchūriki Captain/Naruto League Owner/Dragon Ball Warriors Coach
You have a really good point, Pulse. I think either way will work, but I do promise that if we see problems with either method, it will be changed.
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Pieguy
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Captain of the Akatsuki
Last season this would of been good because you can def see who belonged in what division for example Kage division with the esception of Guy (not to be offensive to Guy) those teams that are in that division should def b and stay in that division even thou their W/L is nothing to run home about. With all these teams being cut throat even with each other its hard 2 place ppl in divisions. Where Kage Division should def have Leaf, Uchiha, Cloud, and Akatsuki where Genin should have Guy and Disciples so they can reform and pull themselves togethor. None of the teams in Genin look like they belong in Genin next season. Its hard decision but I say W/L cause I would hate 2 see strong teams dominate their divisions cause of standings.
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Aurange
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Team Jinchūriki Captain/Naruto League Owner/Dragon Ball Warriors Coach
Well technically as of this week's standings it would be Leaf, Akatsuki, Uchiha, and Jinchuriki. ;) But yes, you have a good point as well!
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Squee913
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Sorry Nova, but that is making a lot of assumptions that most likely will not come true. You assume that every team will stay at a consistent level season in and season out despite what game, who's coaching, and even who is on each team. We already know that season 2 is nothing like season 1 and season 3 might even be in a whole new game. Beyond that, different coaches will have different habits that will make different teams stronger or weaker. In fact, I would go so far as to say, if you really think the teams will stagnate that much, then there is not much reason to have a Naruto league. Everyone will already know who is going to do well and who will not. Your system assumes this to be the case. I, on the other hand, feel that the strength of the teams will be constantly changing each season as people try new things and get better at the system.

Judging divisions based on how you placed in a division will horribly unbalance the divisions. Imagine a team manages to win their division with a 5/10 win loss record and the other three divisions had teams that were 12/3, 10/5, and 11/4. Are you telling me that putting a 5/10 team in a divisions with those is balanced? They will most likely get slaughtered in the next season. Much better to put them in a division with teams that are their equals. Besdies, this also helps to promote good inter-divisional races. If we don't try to balance the divisions, you will have strong teams dominate weaker teams and the last 5 weeks of the season will not matter much.

Now, before anyone thinks I am contradicting myself by saying team will change, but then suggesting they will not, that is not what I am saying at all. Change takes time and effort. You can't expect a team to go from zero to hero in one off season. That said, it is folly to assume they will never grow either.
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