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Divisional Placement: What's your opinion?
Topic Started: Aug 25 2014, 12:32 AM (705 Views)
Aurange
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Team Jinchūriki Captain/Naruto League Owner/Dragon Ball Warriors Coach
Alright everyone, so there has been an issue that has come to my attention lately. It's about the way that divisional placement is to be decided from season to season. Originally, I posted in the Playoff Structure thread that it would be conducted based on what places teams were in their respective divisions, and at the end of the main season, depending on what spot they were in, they would be put in a different division next season.

1st spot teams went to Kage Division, 2nd spot teams went to Jonin Division, 3rd spot teams went to Chunin Division, and 4th spot teams went to Genin Division.

However, I have heard a request of changing it to the way DBZ League operates; being based on win/loss record. The four highest teams w/l wise go to Kage Division, the four second highest teams w/l wise go to Jonin Division, and so on. If you came to an impasse where there were more than four teams with the same record, you would then find out which teams among those have beaten whom, and calculate the respective division using that data. The reason this was brought to my attention was for the purpose of power scaling. The concern was that with the current method, divisions would be way out of whack when it came to power differences and thus keeping certain teams at the top of their divisions repeatedly. Now, there is no guarantee this will happen, but it is a possibility.

So, I'm going to let the community decide.

My question to you is that since the main season is not over and done with yet, which method would you choose? I'll leave a poll up for you guys to vote on.

You all have until Week 15's recording date (August 31st) to vote. Once we get to that date, it is to be decided.
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SkuttyB
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Head coach of Team Buu, supporter of Team Hokage, and CEO of the Fantasy League

I feel divisional placement would be the best option, as while win/loss record works for DBZ League it has meant that a certain team has remained in the highest division for a few seasons now, so with divisional placement there shouldnt be any teams that stay in the same division for as long, unless theyre very dominant anyway (or very bad).
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Squee913
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Skutty... what are you talking about? With the exception of the super saiyans, the divisions have been drastically different each and every season.
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Aurange
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Team Jinchūriki Captain/Naruto League Owner/Dragon Ball Warriors Coach
Squee, he did only mention one "certain team" (which has to be the Super Saiyans). Personally, I think either way can work. You could make the argument that since Naruto League has less potential to affect the AI than DBZ League has, there isn't as much room for improvement from season to season, thus making the divisions fairly similar every season, but at the same time, anything can happen in any season. A great example of this is Orochimaru's Disciples. While they had a slow start last season, it was nothing like the slump they had this season. All that changed was one fighter on the team and an added fifth Free Agent member. Not to mention Hidden Cloud, who after dominating last season and nearly taking the Championship, went on a three loss streak this season. It's true that the team changes may have also affected these things, but who knows; the divisions may still be very different from season to season. This is why I feel neutral on the matter; I can't exactly predict much as far as outcomes go, so I think either one could use a whirl.
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SkuttyB
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Head coach of Team Buu, supporter of Team Hokage, and CEO of the Fantasy League

The Super Saiyans are the point Im making. Im not saying theres anything bad about the fact theyve been in North Kai for so long now, as theyve earned it, but in a divisional placement system theres less chance of that happening, or at least it seems that way to me.


^^^ Also what he said :P
Edited by SkuttyB, Aug 25 2014, 04:40 PM.
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vegeta_8892
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That's very true darky. :) I can see the points from both sides. However, I think W/L way seems like the more suitable option at the minute. Well enough to give it a shot anyway. If it doesn't work out too well then we could always change it. :)
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Bom Ramen
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So, because a team has been dominant, although not top of their division, means they should lose their spot in a division meant for the Greatest teams?
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Pulse
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The main point that should be considered with Naruto League is that there is currently far less customization. Now I'm not discrediting the potential of Naruto League to reach ludicrous customization options (especially with mods available on the PC platform), however I do think it's fairly obvious that with Naruto League's emphasis on clans/villages ( and the very implementation of bonuses via team combinations) we will see a tad more stagnation than something like DBZ league where the inherent RPG qualities allow WAY more potential for experimentation. Now Revolution will be shaking things up substantially and perhaps there will be some underlying components that allow Naruto League to reach such heights and is the main reason why I stand by the fact that W/L record is an easy, go-to solution for the near future but I'm still not convinced that it will yield the best results in the long term. If I'm honest I think this is a topic that goes a bit beyond a knee jerk reaction and should be relegated to more extended discussion over the course of Season 3's development and perhaps throughout it's duration as well. There are valid points to all sides of this discussion and that's why it's not so cut and dry.

Now I must admit that Sir Squee the mighty makes a very good point in regards to the "Human Factor" and how that can play a part in how a team fairs match to match, season to season. I suppose when I personally approach the topic it is from a very mathematical and strategic style of thinking along the lines of a game developer balancing their long running title. While the human element is powerful , in my experience, players will almost always put favoritism and fun below the ideals of winning and success in any competitive environment. I suppose in my brain the spirit of competition that constantly rotating divisions brings to the table far outweighs the risks. You yourself said that teams can learn to flourish after hard times, so why would they automatically be pushed to the bottom of the barrel if you truly believe they can adapt with new ideas and coaching ideals?
Edited by Pulse, Aug 25 2014, 10:03 PM.
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Bom Ramen
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Would a team such as Taka fare in a division of Cloud, Stone and Kurenai? Win/Loss Rankings give a chance for the weaker teams to make it to the semi-finals. That definitely outweighs any fear of the League getting "boring"
Edited by Bom Ramen, Aug 26 2014, 03:39 AM.
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Pulse
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You make a very fair point Bom and after much contemplation (and some theoretical Divisional make-ups) I suppose I find the W/L Divisional placement a little less abrasive than previous however I still don't believe it to be a perfect system. So here is the breakdown (prior to Week 15's matches) on how the Divisions would potentiall look in Season 3

Current Model ---W/L Record Model

Kage Division

Hidden Leaf --- Hidden Leaf (12/2)
Uchiha Clan --- Uchiha Clan (9/5)
Jinchuuriki --- Jinchuuriki (9/5)
Team Asuma --- Team Akatsuki (9/5)

Jounin Division

Team Akatsuki --- Hidden Cloud (8/6)
Team Hokage --- Team Hokage (8/6)
Hidden Stone --- Team Asuma (8/6)
Team Taka--- Hidden Stone (8/6)

Chuunin Division

Hidden Cloud --- Team Sage (8/6)
Team Sage --- Kenjutsu Clan (7/7)
Team Kurenai --- Team Kurenai (6/8)
Hidden Mist --- Team Taka (5/9)

Genin Division

Kenjutsu Clan --- Hidden Mist (5/9)
Hidden Sand --- Hidden Sand (4/10)
Team Guy --- Team Guy (4/10)
Oro. Disc. --- Oro. Disc. (2/12)

Now it's pretty clear that logic holds up in that typically the higher ranked teams fall in Kage and Jounin Division without much fluctuation, which furthers my original point that inherently stronger teams will very rarely drop down the spectrum, however with the balancing already done throughout Season 2, the changes brought by Revolution's new battle systems for Season 3, and the potential tweaks (via mods) that have already been discussed moving into the following season of Naruto League I think the W/L record system can work as a temporary foothold to further develop the league in more substantial areas such as balancing new team compositions and strategies possible in Revolution. So while my vote will stay to keep the current, either variation will get the job done and I personally think that while this is an important part of the League going forward, for the time being it's not as high a priority as far as this shinobi is concerned. There are bigger Bijuu to fry right now :P
Edited by Pulse, Aug 29 2014, 11:49 AM.
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Anthony
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Eh, I say division placement. That way every season each division will always have different teams which allows other teams to have upsets and all that. Plus with how Naruto league can be, I think any team can place first in their division if they play it right. Or you could have terrible luck like some team and do bad for one season.
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