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Superman or batman who would win?
Batman wins 8 (57.1%)
Superman wins 5 (35.7%)
Tie 1 (7.1%)
Total Votes: 14
Batman vs. Superman; With the new movie... Had to be done
Topic Started: Apr 13 2016, 02:37 AM (508 Views)
ShadowSoldier
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So I'm starting this debate, in part, because the new movie is comming out and I am curious about the general opinion of this forum (The other part of me is excited about the chaos this topic will cause ;) ).

So ya post your opinion.

I'll start, my money's on Bats

Also I should say this is not a question about the movie but about a fight to the finish so ya. Have at it.
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Daxter
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Superman...he has dealt with people knowing his weaknesses before...
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ShadowSoldier
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True but Batman has delt with similar criminals before, like doomsday, who killed superman.

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True but Batman has delt with similar criminals before, like doomsday, who killed superman.

Oops my bad I'm mixing characters I wanted to say ... What's his face "lord dark side" or something, the guy who rules that one evil planet and shoots seeker death rays from his eyes. Batman was the first person to ever evade his death ray and he fought him without power armor so... Ya my point still stands.
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Daxter
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I suppose. I am still sticking with my call though. A being without limitations against a master planner, I will pick the former every time I'm afraid.
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ShadowSoldier
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Fair enough, guess we will see what everybody else has to say.
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Bleepmancer
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Alright, I'll add in my 2 cents on this debate. The thing about Superman(and don't get me wrong, I think Supes gets way too much credit in battles like these) is he always holds back. When he doesn't, he's pretty damn scary(understatement). Under regular circumstances, where Superman is "in character", Batman has a chance. But I'd still give it to Superman. Kryptonite is his only true weakness, so if he obtained that and had significant preparation against a NORMAL Superman, then I could see him edging out a victory. I'll go with Superman for the majority regardless.


Also, you were referring to Darkseid in Post #3 if I'm not mistaken. What I gather from ComicVine as well as other similar sites, there are apparently only "avatars" of Darkseid, since the actual Darkseid is extraordinarily powerful. And if we're speaking comic wise, as far as I know it's near impossible to evade Darkseid's Omega Beams, especially for anyone Batman caliber. Not to mention, Darkseid is far stronger than Superman and I'm almost postive any tech-made Power Armor(with Batman's tech), couldn't stand up to either. Getting off topic here though. Take what I say with a grain of salt, since most of my "knowledge" is via internet.

In conclusion, Supes would beat Bats for a majority. If Batman has sufficient preparation, he can possibly edge out a win. If Superman is "blood-lusted", Batman stands no chance.
Edited by Bleepmancer, Apr 14 2016, 04:06 PM.
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ShadowSoldier
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If superman is "bloodlusted" as you say that might swing either way. While he would be more powerful he would also be more reckless and may play into bats's hands. But ya he would absolutely be tougher. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Bleepmancer
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The thing is, it won't matter how reckless he is because he'll kill Batman in one hit. Don't know of a bloodlusted Supes in comics, but here's an example of roughly what it'd look like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR4RHs_TZzQ

Granted, he's possessed here(and this is non-canon), but it'd be something similar. Not to mention, Batman is just a mortal man. One hit and he'd be dead. If that's not enough, bloodlusted Supes would likely use his speed to his advantage, and there's no way Batman has any modern tech(by his standards) to counter that.

However, as you saw, Bats came in and stopped him with Kryptonite(again, non-canon but still). So he's still susceptible to that weakness. The thing is, Batman would still have no real way to put him down(and he'd need to, because bloodlusted Supes wouldn't give a damn about killing).

Essentially this all comes down to the scenario. Prepped Batman, with Kryptonite against a normal Superman, stands a chance at victory(K.O. only, not to the death since he doesn't have any way to put him down permanently). Non-prepped, he really stands no chance(unless he somehow has Kryptonite up his ass, he's Batman after all). Bloodlusted, Batman would need to prep to kill, and have a truckload of Kryptonite. Just what I think is most likely to happen.

Edit: I also forgot Superman had heat vision and frost breath while making this post, derp. So really Batman stands no chance against a bloodlusted Supes in an actual fighting scenario, unless he's prepped to the teeth(and I mean.....he has 6 back-up plans if his back up plan fails). One shot from Superman's heat vision and Batman's a goner. He doesn't have to necessarily use his strength(it can be debated if bloodlusted Superman fights somewhat intelligently or not, which is Batman's only chance of winning against such a Superman, BUT ONLY IF he's had prior knowledge of this, has access to kryptonite, and has prepped for weeks, if not months).
Edited by Bleepmancer, Apr 15 2016, 02:50 AM.
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ShadowSoldier
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Considering that in every fight between the two (cannon or not) bats does have plans A-H it's not unthinkable and it is confirmed, canonically, that Bats has made a 'synthetic kryptonite' knife and (non cannon but still) that kryptonite bullets can kill kryptonians. But ya you do have a point supes is tough and deadly. I still think bats has an edge in tactics and analytical skills but that isn't all that counts.
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Batman is definitely a better tactician, but that doesn't really matter when your opponent is nigh invulnerable and when blood lusted, will likely use his speed to his advantage(which Batman can do absolutely nothing about. Doubt he'd get the chance to pull out whatever kryptonite he may have on him before Supes gets to him).

All in all, as I said in my previous post, this really comes down to the scenario. Is the fight bound to comic book rules(i.e. heroes always win, some can invent magic plot devices or develop powers from their ass, etc.), or is it more so "What would happen in the real world if these two existed and went at it". What is Superman's state(blood lusted or not blood lusted)? What level of preparation does Batman have, if any(his only real chance to get any kind of win over Superman)? There's so many variables, some of which MIGHT(I stress this heavily) tip a win to Batman a couple times. But overall, Superman will pull out a significant amount of wins over Batman than Batman over him, and will more than likely ace if blood lusted.
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