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Remove theme based limitations on Muscle
Topic Started: Jun 18 2018, 10:28 PM (196 Views)
malachi
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Over seasons 8 & 9, the staff has removed theme related limitations on teams like Majins and Earth Defenders, which *required* them to have certain characters. Continuing with this trend, Muscle should have their theme based limitation removed, so that they can have a limiter on one of their characters.
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GuildMaster Andy
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I absolutely agree, Muscle will likely never pick up Garlic Jr. again unless they can put a limiter on his cause his transformed state isn't good
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Well we probably wouldn't want to pick up Garlic anyway. All of our main roster is better than him. All of our characters would get picked up (Except Broly) by the other teams (Roshi by ED and DBW, Bojack by Afterlife, Trunks by by ED, and 13 by the Androids) and then we would be stuck with Garlic.

I also believe there is a rule that if you do not pick someone up for the main season, you can't recruit them as a Free Agent (So like Androids with Android 19 for example).

In my opinion, and I believe many would agree, even if we could have a Broly's Ring, we have the best roster we are going to get.
Edited by HeyRyanLetsPlay, Jun 18 2018, 11:10 PM.
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Well, it's not even so much about Garlic Jr per se, but that you should have the option to keep a character from transforming if you think it benefits your team.

As an easy example -- let's say that you want to try out EL as a regular part of your team. You could put a limiter on 13 to have that option if you think EL on Bojack or 13 would be better than letting 13 transform.
Edited by malachi, Jun 18 2018, 11:16 PM.
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YubelMastery
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It all comes down to themes. ED is still ED without Goku. Majins are still Majins without Babidi. But with some of the characters on Muscle, they are not all that ripped unless they transform. Muscle is not Muscle without muscles, therefore, characters like Garlic and 13 need to be more ripped to even fit the theme of the team and therefore limiting from transforming breaks that mold. It sucks that Muscle can't use EL because 13 transforms, but he has to transform. It is not so much an issue that he transforms, but more so that he gains health because of that said transformation. Maybe Aurange can mod out the health gain? If not, 13 pulls more than his weight to make the blow not so bad. At this point, he is worth more than the EL and it does not look like Muscle plans on benching him just to use EL like they were looking at previously.
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On the one hand, yes, there does need to be some preservation of theme, otherwise what's the point? But at the same time, no other team has a limitation placed on them *solely* for theme related reasons. What theme related limitations have been placed upon teams are being systematically removed. This is just the next iteration.

As for the example, it was used solely because it's easy to demonstrate the logic of why they might want a limiter. As a more general thought, there are some character transformations which arguably hurt a team, and such considerations are why we have limiters in the first place. Garlic Jr is an obvious example, but Future Trunks is another character who in the past you could've made the argument that his muscle form hurt his performance (not saying that's that the case now, but i remember it being the case in season past).

If we were to apply the same logic to say, the Saiyans, they shouldn't be allowed to have broly's ring, because the theme explicitly requires the characters to be able to go ape. But we don't enforce that logic on them, and so shouldn't do so for muscle.
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I just don't think that is the same systematic theme-ing. The only way Muscle could get away with that treatment is if the character has a muscly form but does not necessarily need to be seen in the league, which I don't think they will go for. Sometimes the transformed state does more harm than good, but that is just the territory of the theme. If Muscle was a crappy team then I could understand, but they have powerful characters who have had multiple league championships. The just hit some bad luck, but you would not be making this same argument if Muscle has a record like ED right now. As for Saiyans, I personally think that was a mistake to allow Bardock that Broly's ring. While he doesn't / can't go ape that often, I do think he falls into the same boat as characters on Muscle and therefore shouldn't have been allowed to get that ring, nor any other ape transforming member on Saiyans. Probably just a miss on the admins part since it is Bardock who doesn't go ape pretty much at all. But if it was someone like King Vegeta, they probably would have been on it since he is more notorious for turning ape.
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I think the theme rule with the Saiyans was more so to differentiate them from the Super Saiyans. We could just revise the Saiyans theme to be, those who could turn into Apes, but not required to.

Muscle still needs the possibility of going Muscle. I'm fine with us only having the option for EL 3 weeks of the season. I don't believe that our theme really hurts us in the long run.
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GeOm
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There was never a rule forbidding us from using a limiter to begin with unlike muscle. If we placed one on KV chances are it would have gone through. That being said I don't think a team should be excluded from using an advantage every other team has just because of the theme. The theme is a fun and neat way to manage what rosters teams can have but i don't think they should be so ironclad considering how random and different they are for each team.

Also I don't think it should matter what record the team in question has. This rule change would not be a buff. Just an available opportunity that every other team has.
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Well i think the ape thing was more so a way for them to determine who exactly is an "Original" Saiyan cuz there was some debate seasons ago about who should be allowed to be picked up. Anyways, I dont see why it would be ok to say "can go ape but don't need to" but it wouldn't be proper to say "has or can become muscular but doesn't need to be." What's the difference exactly? Both our themes would need changing in this case.

And i understand that you don't particularly care about this potential change since it wouldn't affect your plans. That said, i think its still worth discussing since things could change in the future and future supporters or even coaches might prefer the opportunity to Limit a character.
Edited by GeOm, Jun 19 2018, 12:40 AM.
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