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| Who is the smartest person to have ever lived? | |
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| RandomMan1 | May 9 2012, 08:47 PM Post #61 |
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Right, my bad Either way, I don't think Hitler was on the same level as the others on this list. Anyways, I said a while ago that I divided the canidates into groups, as it is unfair to vote on them any other way, and I picked Sun Tzu for smartest general. |
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| Dantos4 | May 9 2012, 09:03 PM Post #62 |
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Hitler's intellect is based on whether you believe the Zionist theory of world domination... and I REALLY can't be bothered debating that one... Sun Tzu definitely gets my vote. Something in me is shouting for Alexander the Great... but that's more on merit for what he did, not necessarily his intellect. Sun Tzu's Art of War is not just useful in military circumstances either, it's been applied in a huge range of vocations from the world of finance/business to sports management! |
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| Warden of Wisdom | May 9 2012, 09:21 PM Post #63 |
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The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent. -Carl Sagan
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For general I'm going with Alexander, he was so legendary and famed that people truly and honestly believed that he was the son of Dionysus, if you are thought to be a demigod, that says something. Sun Tzu's tactics are extremely intellectually designed, but I just can't see it compare to Alexander's vast conquest. He suffered lots and lots of casualties and scenarios that can be considered bad, but never lost a single battle. |
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| RandomMan1 | May 9 2012, 09:25 PM Post #64 |
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Thing is, this has to do with intelligence. The tactics Sun Tzu employed revolutionized warfare forever. ALexander's tactics, even his diplomatic ones, had been used by past empires (The idea of accepting a counquered peoples customs and beliefs, for example, came from the Persians.) |
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| Warden of Wisdom | May 9 2012, 09:32 PM Post #65 |
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Intelligence doesn't have to be based entirely from your own ideas, if the Persians had a good idea that would work well for Alexander the smart thing to do would be to use it, using your own idea just for the sake of not building upon earlier ones is not intelligent. |
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| RandomMan1 | May 9 2012, 09:36 PM Post #66 |
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Yes, but when you compare the tatical know-how employed by both generals, Sun Tzu comes out on top. Also, another argument against Alexander, isin't it true he overstretched his army, by the time he reached India, they were ready to mutiny because they were so tired. Not to mention his empire was so big that when he died without any heirs, it instantly fell to pieces. |
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| Warden of Wisdom | May 9 2012, 09:51 PM Post #67 |
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The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent. -Carl Sagan
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The collapse of the Roman Empire wasn't caused by Alexander being incompetent. If the Bloodline ended with him its not because he wasn't intelligent enough. And as to tactical know how, I agree that Alexander didn't great in India, but that doesn't change the fact that he never lost a battle. The 100+ years in-between Alexander and Sun Tzu were filled with innovations and inventions that revolutionized warfare as much as Sun Tzu did, thus his tactics are more relevant today. If sieges and battles were fought today like they were in 320 B.C. and Alexander wrote a book on warfare, it would be as used as "The Art of War" |
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| RandomMan1 | May 9 2012, 10:49 PM Post #68 |
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I would hope Alexander didn't cause the collapse of the Roman Empire, since he never hd anything to do with the Romans (who came much later). ![]() Also, you keep bragging about his perfect recors. Sun Tzu never lost a single battle and he was humble enough to know that when his master started becoming corrupt because of his actions, that he should better leave before he made things worse (after which he wrte the Art of War, then dropped off the face of the Earth. Oh, not to mention he once managed to make a group of noble women into an organized fighting force. Here's another thing, if battles were still fought like they were in 320 B.C. and Alexander did write a book on warfare, then sure, Alexander would probably have made the Art of War, however, the greatest thing about Sun Zhu's Art of War is that time or subject is inconsequtial. As Dantos said, it is used by modern militaries, buissnesses, even sports teams. That's the big part, any sap, with knowledge of warfare, can write a book on stratetgy, but Sun Tzu's has managed to still be useful after millenia. (Hell, I got a GO board because I learned that that was how Sun Zhu's strategies played out) |
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| Warden of Wisdom | May 9 2012, 11:24 PM Post #69 |
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Pfff, Roman Empire, derped out there, you know what I meant. Was Sun Tzu more humble and wise than Alexander? He sure could have been. Does that make him more of an intelligent general? I doubt it. I'm also sorry if I came off as bragging, as you mentioned, I did not intend to. But because this is a debate on the greatest general, and not the greatest author, I still believe expanding the an empire by around 22,000 miles (90% of the known world) at the age of 25 without defeat is amazing and worthy of attaining a title for the most intelligent general over writing a multi-purpose book still in effect after 2000+ years. Don't get me wrong, that's absolutely incredible, and Sun Tzu's a genius. But I think Alexanders the better general. |
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| Cthulhu-Gala | May 10 2012, 05:35 AM Post #70 |
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Praetorian Guard
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ya you understood what I meant that and legal things he did to tesla |
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