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Eating in the Britainlands.; What?
Topic Started: Mar 23 2012, 01:36 PM (6,952 Views)
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Dantos4
Mar 28 2012, 03:37 PM
Kagurodraven
Mar 28 2012, 03:25 PM
While I must agree democracy is just a breeding groud for corruption, Royalty is worse. Much much worse. And you're the only 'real' monarchy left.
I agree very much, democracy has too many flaws for me... but then there are very few viable alternatives in the modern world. Political evolution much needed.

In terms of Royalty I agree with HJK. Our Queen is no more than a figurehead to be honest. She does have some power, but does not use it at all. Ever.

Haha yeah. I honestly don't trust the government at all. In my opinion, they're all just silver spoon fed rich boys who are too busy looking after the country's money (and therefore, their own money) than it's people.

Yes.
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Whats wrong with the House of Lords?

A certain Henry comes to my mind too. Lets trade!
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hjk561
Mar 28 2012, 03:39 PM
Whats wrong with the House of Lords?

A certain Henry comes to my mind too. Lets trade!
Touche

I guess any old sod can be a Lord in this day and age.
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Only if they have the required expertise and are approved by an appointments committee :)
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hjk561
Mar 28 2012, 03:43 PM
Only if they have the required expertise and are approved by an appointments committee :)
Like I said, any old sod.
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Mar 28 2012, 03:41 PM
hjk561
Mar 28 2012, 03:39 PM
Whats wrong with the House of Lords?

A certain Henry comes to my mind too. Lets trade!
Touche

I guess any old sod can be a Lord in this day and age.
Okay so a politician puts forward a new law which would benefit everybody and improve freedom of speech. I'm obviously shortening the whole process, but safe to say: It gets passed in the house of 'commons', then to these house of Lords. These people have been granted a Lordship for doing one thing or another, or have inherited it (does that count?), and get to vote. In a democracy where everybody is equal, what right to these guys have to vote on something that everybody else has already passed?

That's my problem with the house of lords. I say, let the people vote. It's a little more utilitarian, but at least everybody gets a say.

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"There are currently 26 Lords Spiritual, who sit in the Lords by virtue of their ecclesiastical role in the established Church of England.[4] The Lords Temporal make up the rest of the membership; of these, the majority are life peers who are appointed by the Monarch on the advice of the Prime Minister, or on the advice of the House of Lords Appointments Commission." - from wikipedia.

Do you see how easily that can be exploited? If they're appointed by the Prime minister or Church... then anything he wants stopped, can be stopped. Same applies for the Church. Nobody should have the opportunity to have puppets. Full democracy or no democracy I say!
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That's right, the "church of England" is still a controlling factor in your government. Sucks to be you :P

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I cant say i agree with you there. An elected House of Lords would be rather a large waste of time. One reason is that you would fill a chamber previously full of experts in their field and full of experience with politicians that, at the end of the day, are allied to their party (unlike a large number of lords) and are concerned about winning votes at the end of the day. And they do have expertise in their ares. If the HoL was simply a puppet, then why has it continually blocked the government on tons of legislature?
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At least you don't have our Republicans.
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Indeed it does. And let's not forget who the head of the Church of England is... ;)

I don't see why they can't just have people suggest/vote up new policies. People don't seem to have the problem of voting in to save "singer X" on X-Factor. Maybe if the media (linking the two topics here :P) wasn't so "celeb" focussed: All that "SCANDAL: Kim Kardashian seen holding hands with Man" and was more "John from Shrewsbury - Spend Council tax on road repairs, not politician wages", then people might be more interested in the idea.

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I cant say i agree with you there. An elected House of Lords would be rather a large waste of time. One reason is that you would fill a chamber previously full of experts in their field and full of experience with politicians that, at the end of the day, are allied to their party (unlike a large number of lords) and are concerned about winning votes at the end of the day.


Not an elected house of lords. Just no house of lords at all. Maybe it's a bit utilitarian but surely the people deserve a vote on anything. A house of lords guy who makes most of his money from oil or banking is going to be FAR less likely to vote for something which will negatively impact him or herself.
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