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Eating in the Britainlands.; What?
Topic Started: Mar 23 2012, 01:36 PM (6,958 Views)
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Dantos4
Mar 23 2012, 07:01 PM
Greysoul
Mar 23 2012, 07:00 PM
Dantos4
Mar 23 2012, 06:58 PM
Greysoul
Mar 23 2012, 06:41 PM
Ahhh, poor fuck up version of ancient Roman system but made it "different" in the beginning, but then screwed it up with corruption and mercantilism.
*/smack Greysoul*

I've invented my own new fun game. Smack-a-troll :)
As long as I get fed I am happy.
Usually the way with Americans :P (Sorry, I couldn't resist.. you set yourself up there)

*smack*
*smack self*
rofl
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Well... this has been fun, but Veriax is watching a nice episode of Bottom and I must giggle along with him :) Ciao
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Ahhh drunk English people. arrivederci
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Dantos4
Mar 23 2012, 06:36 PM
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Mar 23 2012, 06:26 PM
Dantos4
Mar 23 2012, 06:19 PM
RandomMan1
Mar 23 2012, 06:12 PM
[How long do you think Britain would have lasted without foreign allies? And why bring up Stalingraf? The British didn't help in that fight either.

By the way, thanks for the British aid in the Pacific.

And let's not forget Montgomery. "Let's go through Belgium and give the Germans time to regroup."
Without the Americans? We would have easily done it. I was referring to the Allied forces of Europe & Commonwealth. Stalingrad was probably the most influential battle of the war... America didn't save anybody's asses there. If anybody saved anybody's ass: Britain saved Britain & The Russians saved everybody.

America basically saw that the Japanese were up for a fight, got taken by surprise, and joined in the last push.

You're welcome. You surely can't expect us to defend both our own territories AND the US ones? Oh wait... you did.

And the US policy of "this war's been going on for 2 years now... oh wait, the Japanese attacked! Surprise!"
Yet the US staged a full army in the Pacific and Europe.

And it's that "America wasn't necassary" pompous attitude that made the American soldiers hate the Brits.

The last push? So Africa, Italy, D-Day, and the Buldge are all the last push

Excuse us for not wanting to get involved in a war in Europe. Today people say America gets too involved, yet in WW2, you critize us for NOT getting involved earlier?
Yes, and that army did so well leading everybody into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Kasserine_Pass

Or it could be how we'd been fighting this war for years, yet the Americans arrive at the last gasp and claim to be saviours that caused resent among the English towards Americans?

Considering the USA were one of another 10+ countries involved in Africa & Italy. And I'm pretty sure Russia would have ROFLstomped all over Germany by the time the Bulge happened.

Attacking a country for internal/domestic "war crimes" of their leader is very different to a world war where America stayed neutral until Japan caught it by surprise.
Okay smart guy. Think of this. America doesn't join WW2. Britain and a few minor allies have to win Africa, then Italy, then France, then Germany. And, yes, even with Russia's ROFLSTOMP, because if the German don't have 2 fronts, they coul commit more troops. And even after all this, you need to take on the Japanese (And Russia didn't join the Pacific War until victory was imminent, just like in the real war). Think of this, and ask yourself if Britain could have won without America
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

the US was giving everyone the gear to fight the war before we joined most of the trucks and other things need to bring ammo and bombs to the front that the Russians had was given to them by the US and the T-34 was made by an American. We gave the western powers the manpower to break the germans in the west and without that they could have sent more men over to the east
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Mar 23 2012, 07:11 PM
Okay smart guy. Think of this. America doesn't join WW2. Britain and a few minor allies have to win Africa, then Italy, then France, then Germany. And, yes, even with Russia's ROFLSTOMP, because if the German don't have 2 fronts, they coul commit more troops. And even after all this, you need to take on the Japanese (And Russia didn't join the Pacific War until victory was imminent, just like in the real war). Think of this, and ask yourself if Britain could have won without America
America doesn't join WW2? I am assuming you are referring to the European & African Theatre because Japan gave the US little choice when it came to the Pacific.

Britain and a few "minor allies"?
Pretty sure this many countries isn't "a few minor allies":
France, Poland, British dominions (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and South Africa), Soviet Union, China (at times), Belgium, Brazil, Czechoslovakia, Ethiopia, Greece, India (as part of the British Empire), the Netherlands, Norway and Yugoslavia.

Hardly a few minor allies. Now all joking aside, I'm not saying the Americans weren't a HUGE help... but you didn't "save anybody's asses" either. It wasn't as if we barely scraped through the war with American involvement. It just made things a lot easier. Did it save countless lives on all sides? Yes, if you don't include the American losses. Was it the turning point of the war? No. It just made things easier. Without US involvement, the Germans would have still had 2-3 fronts. Africa, the UK & Russia. The US didn't create any other fronts, just providing more supplies and manpower.

So after the Nazi threat was eliminated, you expect the Japanese to fight relentlessly even though all of their allies have been defeated? No. They would have surrendered anyway, or would have been overwhelmed by European power. Using ONE atomic bomb was a total disrespect for human life, including civilians. Never mind the second one.

And yes Galagoth, the US were supplying everybody with goods. FOR MONEY. Money which we could have used to purchase or manufacture those same goods anywhere else in the world. America offered and we took the offer. IWe could have used those millions of pounds to buy weapons, food, petrol, etc from elsewhere. What America did is just another instance of America's war profiteering.

And the T-34 was designed by an American? No. The suspension was designed by an American. The TANK itself was designed by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Koshkin

And FYI, Christie's suspension system was SO good and SO American that the Americans rejected it, so he sold it to the USSR... only for it to be used in the T-34, and become one of the greatest tanks in history. Smart move, America... Smart move *slow clap*
Edited by Dantos4, Mar 24 2012, 11:07 AM.
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And just to sum up this whole topic about how the SOVIET UNION won WW2 (coming from an Englishman), a nice article from an American myth-debunking team on Cracked:

http://www.cracked.com/article_18389_the-5-most-widely-believed-wwii-facts-that-are-bullshit.html

I particularly love the quote "What 11 time-zones of Joseph Stalin looks like" :)
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Also, anybody here a professor of History? No? This guy is: http://www.rt.com/news/wwii-soviet-union-role-history/
Skip to 3:20 if you are American.

Same thing with this guy, quoted from BBC site:
"Because Britain and the US had to invade Europe by sea they have a sense of 'liberating' a German-conquered Europe
Professor Richard Overy,
King's College London"

:)
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Ahhh facts. Why do you forsake me?
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Dantos4
Mar 24 2012, 08:56 AM
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Mar 23 2012, 07:11 PM
Okay smart guy. Think of this. America doesn't join WW2. Britain and a few minor allies have to win Africa, then Italy, then France, then Germany. And, yes, even with Russia's ROFLSTOMP, because if the German don't have 2 fronts, they coul commit more troops. And even after all this, you need to take on the Japanese (And Russia didn't join the Pacific War until victory was imminent, just like in the real war). Think of this, and ask yourself if Britain could have won without America
America doesn't join WW2? I am assuming you are referring to the European & African Theatre because Japan gave the US little choice when it came to the Pacific.

Britain and a few "minor allies"?
Pretty sure this many countries isn't "a few minor allies":
France, Poland, British dominions (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and South Africa), Soviet Union, China (at times), Belgium, Brazil, Czechoslovakia, Ethiopia, Greece, India (as part of the British Empire), the Netherlands, Norway and Yugoslavia.

Hardly a few minor allies. Now all joking aside, I'm not saying the Americans weren't a HUGE help... but you didn't "save anybody's asses" either. It wasn't as if we barely scraped through the war with American involvement. It just made things a lot easier. Did it save countless lives on all sides? Yes, if you don't include the American losses. Was it the turning point of the war? No. It just made things easier. Without US involvement, the Germans would have still had 2-3 fronts. Africa, the UK & Russia. The US didn't create any other fronts, just providing more supplies and manpower.

So after the Nazi threat was eliminated, you expect the Japanese to fight relentlessly even though all of their allies have been defeated? No. They would have surrendered anyway, or would have been overwhelmed by European power. Using ONE atomic bomb was a total disrespect for human life, including civilians. Never mind the second one.

And yes Galagoth, the US were supplying everybody with goods. FOR MONEY. Money which we could have used to purchase or manufacture those same goods anywhere else in the world. America offered and we took the offer. IWe could have used those millions of pounds to buy weapons, food, petrol, etc from elsewhere. What America did is just another instance of America's war profiteering.

And the T-34 was designed by an American? No. The suspension was designed by an American. The TANK itself was designed by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Koshkin

And FYI, Christie's suspension system was SO good and SO American that the Americans rejected it, so he sold it to the USSR... only for it to be used in the T-34, and become one of the greatest tanks in history. Smart move, America... Smart move *slow clap*
Paardon the misunderstanding, I was actually talking about a hypothetical situation. And, I call them minor allies (and I admit some of them were major allies) because many of the listed nations only made up 1 or 2 regiments. The Greeks were busy dealing with the Italian invasion, and many of the listed nations had already been captured (i.e Poland, Czechoslovakia, Norwayt, Yougoslavia, France (they lasted about a week) and the Netherlands), and China was busy being destroyed by Japan (They were dropping airborne poison on the Chinese villages, with no one but innocents)

Yes, I do believe Japan would have fought relentlesly after all its allies were defeated, why? Because they fucking did. Watch the history channel, you'll learn how relentlessly the Japanese were fighting. No, unless we invaded mainland Japan, they wouldn't have surrendered. I studied a lot about the Pacific Theatre. Everytime Americans took an island, many Japanese citizens on the island would commit ritual suicide to avoid falling under American control. Mainland Japan was gearing every last citizen for the mainland invasion, providing phamphlets to ttheir citizens on hor to dive under tanks with bombs, in order to destroy them. Japan was in a fight for survival after Hitler went down, and if there is one good thing about Japan during WW2, it was that they fought like animals (Kamakazie pilots, bonsai rushes, etc). Also, would you like to know the estimated death toll for an invasion on mainland Japan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall#Estimated_casualties

Yes, the bombings were horrible. The man who invented it stated, "I have becom death, destroyer of worlds" (Yes he was actually sad about it, don't think diffrently). The pilots who dropped it said that they weren't the heros some people thought they were, they felt more like figures of evil. But, if you look at the estimated death toll of Operation Downfall, you would realize that the bombs caused less death than the invasion would have caused. The 2nd bomb was horrible, but we actually had a reason. We warned Japan that we would drop bomb #2 if they didn't surrender. They didn't surrender in time. We gave them a warning, and they failed to heed it, so we dropped the 2nd bomb. We had threatened a 3rd bomb, but they surrendered before that (which was good because we didn't have a third bomb).
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