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| PvtCryan502 | Dec 7 2012, 08:13 PM Post #61 |
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More than Just a Conjurer of Cheap Tricks
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I know one that wasn't bad: Patton |
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| Squee913 | Dec 7 2012, 08:26 PM Post #62 |
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Indeed? By your definition, if I defend myself or my people against an invading force i am a bad person because I am contributing to war. Would you not consider protecting your people from death, rape, and pillage a good reason? If a man brakes into your home and threatens your family are you going to sit there and do nothing so that you do not contribute to the violence? Pacifism is a wonderful idea and easy to advocate safe in your home, but many do not have that luxury. By the way, as one of those "worst killing machines ever" I thing you should consider your words more carefully. After all, those killing machines often suffer a hell worse than you can possibly imagine so that you don't have to. Edited by Squee913, Dec 7 2012, 08:28 PM.
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| RandomMan1 | Dec 7 2012, 09:35 PM Post #63 |
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Agreed, though he was a bit of an jerk. Edited by RandomMan1, Dec 7 2012, 09:35 PM.
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| Warden of Wisdom | Dec 7 2012, 09:44 PM Post #64 |
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The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent. -Carl Sagan
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I can list many that weren't "bad". |
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| MUERTE | Dec 8 2012, 09:41 AM Post #65 |
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You do have a point at defending yourself, true true. But many times the defenders go on the offencive (when they succeed defending) and the roles have turned around, the defenders are the attackers and are pillaging and rainding everyone and everything. The soviets are a good example in ww2. (I don't know for sure, I did a bit of research on it and this is my statement of it) But we can all agree that this is the BEST propoganda ever:
Edited by MUERTE, Dec 8 2012, 05:09 PM.
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| Warden of Wisdom | Dec 8 2012, 02:09 PM Post #66 |
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The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent. -Carl Sagan
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Sometimes they do, but again not always. And sometimes one can 'justify' it. For example: Carthage. While Hannibal did fail in beating Rome to the point that they would never attack Carthage again, imagine if he succeeded. If he rode up to Rome, killed the consuls and the senate, and strolled back to Carthage. IMO Rome would have at least waited a long while before attacking Carthage again. |
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| MUERTE | Dec 8 2012, 05:20 PM Post #67 |
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Well, justify I wont say. then a lot of wars where justifications. You could say whole ww2 was a justification of the pact of versailles (versailles right?) by the germans. There would be numerous more wars the where justifications while they are maybe even worse than the first war. If Rome wanted to 'justify' the carthaginians wouldn't they stop eventually and not raid there capital and destroy there entire empire? Might be a bit too out of hand there (I just wanted to say that they have a lot of killing power), and it is true that they have to loose many men and friends (and I highly respect the military), but also they let people loose friends too, and (as far as I know) don't seem to care. Think of it, I sure am learning here in this debate and that is amazing!
Edited by MUERTE, Dec 8 2012, 05:27 PM.
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| Warden of Wisdom | Dec 8 2012, 05:27 PM Post #68 |
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I was saying Hannibal could have justified his actions by claiming they were to stop the Roman's invasion, not the other way around. |
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| MUERTE | Dec 8 2012, 05:35 PM Post #69 |
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oh, but (I don't know for sure, I have been looking this up but it wasb't clear for me) didn't the carthaginians started the first and second punic wars? So what was there for Hannibal to justify? I could be horribly wrong here, I just don't know to many of the punic wars, so please don't crucify me! |
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| Warden of Wisdom | Dec 8 2012, 05:45 PM Post #70 |
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The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent. -Carl Sagan
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No worries at all, it essentially started by the Romans defending the Mercenaries hired by the Greeks as they raded villages. But the 3rd punic war started with Hannibal invading Rome, and so he could have justified it by saying he was trying to end Rome's attacks on Carthage. I don't think he ever did, I'm just using it as an example. Another example of attacking for the sake of defense was the Western and Eastern Indian Wars. |
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