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The Movie Megathread: We're Gonna Need A Bigger Thread
Topic Started: May 3 2013, 08:35 PM (1,265 Views)
Himmelgeher
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Okay, so Man of Steel. I'm going to try to stay out of spoiler territory, but I'm going to have to for the second half of the post.

Positives:
-It is very, very well directed. The movie is gorgeous, probably the best looking movie of the year so far. It's not exactly surprising for a Snyder film to look great, but it's still worth mentioning.

-The new suit looks great. The comic book suit is great for the comics, but it just looks goofy in real life. I'm glad they went with a redesign. The Kryptonian breathing suit/armor things also look pretty great, though I wish they would have explained what they symbol on General Zod's chest was since they did it for Superman, but it isn't a big deal.

-Everything before the final fight with General Zod is pretty solid. There are lots of interesting ideas introduced that could make a very interesting Superman. These ideas are dropped pretty quickly, but I think we'll probably see them followed up on in the sequel. And there will be a sequel, obviously. Warner Bros. can't afford to milk the Batman franchise for a few years, and Green Lantern bombed.* Their only real choices are Superman and Wonder Woman, and I suppose the Flash.

- They don't dick around the audience by dragging out Superman keeping his secret identity from Lois Lane. I liked it when they did this with Peter Parker and Gwen Stacy in the Amazing Spider-Man. Maybe we just need to do away with secret identities all together. They're often just a source of pointless, meandering "drama."

- The initial scene with the World Engine is stomach churningly reminiscent of 9/11. I mean that in a good way. While it felt sort of like Snyder was trying to top the destruction of Manhattan in Watchmen, it was still a very effective scene.

Now, despite what I'm about to say, I still think the movie is worth seeing, if only for the fact that there aren't any other comic book movies coming out until Thor: The Dark World. If you don't like comic book movies, this isn't going to win you over, if you do then you'll probably enjoy it.

Negatives:

- Lois Lane and Superman have no chemistry whatsoever. They seem more like good friends then love interests. If Amy Adams hadn't been given the name Lois Lane, and were she not the only major female character aside from Faora, I wouldn't have expected a romance to develop at all.

- This is a nitpick, but I only remember them actually calling him Superman in one scene, and Superman isn't even in the scene. Come on. If you can dress Christian Bale in bat shaped armor and call him Batman with a straight face, you can call Superman fucking Superman.

- They seem to rebuild the damage the World Engine caused, which should be years of simultaneous construction efforts, in a matter of weeks. No one in Metropolis seems to care that hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people died in horrific ways right in front of them.

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*As an aside, please give us a movie with Kyle Rainer as the Green Lantern Warner Bros. Please. I just want to see my favorite superhero on the big screen. Come on.
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I just saw Man of Steel myself less than an hour ago, and my complaint is kind of a spoiler.
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Himmelgeher
Jun 16 2013, 04:30 PM
Okay, so Man of Steel. I'm going to try to stay out of spoiler territory, but I'm going to have to for the second half of the post.

Positives:
-It is very, very well directed. The movie is gorgeous, probably the best looking movie of the year so far. It's not exactly surprising for a Snyder film to look great, but it's still worth mentioning.

-The new suit looks great. The comic book suit is great for the comics, but it just looks goofy in real life. I'm glad they went with a redesign. The Kryptonian breathing suit/armor things also look pretty great, though I wish they would have explained what they symbol on General Zod's chest was since they did it for Superman, but it isn't a big deal.

-Everything before the final fight with General Zod is pretty solid. There are lots of interesting ideas introduced that could make a very interesting Superman. These ideas are dropped pretty quickly, but I think we'll probably see them followed up on in the sequel. And there will be a sequel, obviously. Warner Bros. can't afford to milk the Batman franchise for a few years, and Green Lantern bombed.* Their only real choices are Superman and Wonder Woman, and I suppose the Flash.

- They don't dick around the audience by dragging out Superman keeping his secret identity from Lois Lane. I liked it when they did this with Peter Parker and Gwen Stacy in the Amazing Spider-Man. Maybe we just need to do away with secret identities all together. They're often just a source of pointless, meandering "drama."

- The initial scene with the World Engine is stomach churningly reminiscent of 9/11. I mean that in a good way. While it felt sort of like Snyder was trying to top the destruction of Manhattan in Watchmen, it was still a very effective scene.

Now, despite what I'm about to say, I still think the movie is worth seeing, if only for the fact that there aren't any other comic book movies coming out until Thor: The Dark World. If you don't like comic book movies, this isn't going to win you over, if you do then you'll probably enjoy it.

Negatives:

- Lois Lane and Superman have no chemistry whatsoever. They seem more like good friends then love interests. If Amy Adams hadn't been given the name Lois Lane, and were she not the only major female character aside from Faora, I wouldn't have expected a romance to develop at all.

- This is a nitpick, but I only remember them actually calling him Superman in one scene, and Superman isn't even in the scene. Come on. If you can dress Christian Bale in bat shaped armor and call him Batman with a straight face, you can call Superman fucking Superman.

- They seem to rebuild the damage the World Engine caused, which should be years of simultaneous construction efforts, in a matter of weeks. No one in Metropolis seems to care that hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people died in horrific ways right in front of them.

Okay, now for the spoilers.
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*As an aside, please give us a movie with Kyle Rainer as the Green Lantern Warner Bros. Please. I just want to see my favorite superhero on the big screen. Come on.
I want to address some of your negatives here.

I do agree with the Lois/Superman thing, I feel like they could have held that off until the second film, as it did feel a little forced.

I didn't actually mind that hardly anyone called him Superman, it's not like he proclaimed that was his name to begin with. Some people thought up the nickname, and it will inevitably grow from there so everyone uses it. With Batman, literally the first thing Bale said as Batman was "I'm Batman". Superman never did that, neither did we need him too. Personally, it would have felt a bit cheesy if he had refered to himself as Superman.

I didn't actually realise that point, it was rebuilt awfully quickly. I expect the repercussions of Metropolises destruction will be highlighted in the next film, as there wasn't really time to explore that in-depth by the end.

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I thought the movie was great for a simple superhero, action, save-the-day film. I would recommend that superhero fans see it, but I myself don't have an interest in seeing it again. I'll probably catch the sequel.
Although the main thing that bothered me was that Zod had a really, really good setup, and the potential was kind of wasted. The character was a good idea, but as the movie progressed he just shaped into the typical destroy the world super villain.
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Jun 17 2013, 02:42 AM
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He shouldn't be calling himself Superman, no, but that it's barely said at all in the movie is what bothers me. Like I said, it's just a nit-pick.

True. For instance, they didn't really explore the consequences of a major battle happening in New York City in The Avengers and Iron Man 3 was pretty much all about that, but the Marvel Cinematic Universe has the advantage of being able to release a few movies every year. Man of Steel Rises is at least a couple of years off, and that's the best case scenario. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they just brush off the consequences by doing a time skip.

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These are really the only sticking points for me. Otherwise the movie is very well done. Most of the criticisms I've seen were either pointless nitpicks or "It's like Batman" complaints that pop up every time a super hero movie tries to take itself any more seriously than the Avengers, as if being like Batman Begins is in any way a bad thing. In the worst review I've seen, the reviewer seems to be under the impression that Superman II was the first time Zod appeared. It's like that Wall Street Journal review of Borderlands 2 in how badly it misses both basic facts as well as what consumers are actually interested in. But I digress; the fact that Superman Returns has a higher Rotten Tomatoes score than this movie says a lot more than I ever could about how competently critics review Superman movies.

It's not exactly a feature film, but I was watching a video recently that reminded me of a short film I saw a few years ago. It's called Suckerpunch. It stars the guys from BriTANick. It's pretty funny, and definitely worth a watch if you haven't seen it yet.
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Himmelgeher
Jun 17 2013, 04:37 AM
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Can't agree with this more.
And I despise Rotten Tomatoes. Terrible reviews.
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Jun 17 2013, 02:42 AM
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He shouldn't be calling himself Superman, no, but that it's barely said at all in the movie is what bothers me. Like I said, it's just a nit-pick.

True. For instance, they didn't really explore the consequences of a major battle happening in New York City in The Avengers and Iron Man 3 was pretty much all about that, but the Marvel Cinematic Universe has the advantage of being able to release a few movies every year. Man of Steel Rises is at least a couple of years off, and that's the best case scenario. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they just brush off the consequences by doing a time skip.

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These are really the only sticking points for me. Otherwise the movie is very well done. Most of the criticisms I've seen were either pointless nitpicks or "It's like Batman" complaints that pop up every time a super hero movie tries to take itself any more seriously than the Avengers, as if being like Batman Begins is in any way a bad thing. In the worst review I've seen, the reviewer seems to be under the impression that Superman II was the first time Zod appeared. It's like that Wall Street Journal review of Borderlands 2 in how badly it misses both basic facts as well as what consumers are actually interested in. But I digress; the fact that Superman Returns has a higher Rotten Tomatoes score than this movie says a lot more than I ever could about how competently critics review Superman movies.

It's not exactly a feature film, but I was watching a video recently that reminded me of a short film I saw a few years ago. It's called Suckerpunch. It stars the guys from BriTANick. It's pretty funny, and definitely worth a watch if you haven't seen it yet.
Yeah, it is kind of speculation as to what will happen with the whole "Metropolis was turned inside out" thing. It's difficult to really have a discussion on it without knowing how it will affect the second film.

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I originally was quite irritated at the negative reviews. I guess though you're fighting an uphill struggle when you've got so much CGI in a film (In my experience, loads of film critics feel themselves too good for CGI), and saying that I still have faith for the next few MoS films. After all, Batman Begins wasn't given flawless ratings across the board, but the Dark Knight came along, and we all know what happened frmo there :P
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