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Incest...ok or morally reprehensible?; Talk about whether you think it's ok to have in society or if it is so vile it deserves ALL OF YOUR HATE.
Topic Started: Jun 24 2013, 01:50 PM (1,321 Views)
ViperKang
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By the way let's not get too into the whole "we should sterilize certain people" train of thought. That's a very dangerous line of thought to go into. I know it comes from a good place but to even entertain the thought of controlling someone's reproductive rights is unsettling.
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Vindicated57

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EDIT: Hold up. A thought occurs. A lot of people seem to be fine with siblings performing incest but not having kids. I pose the question: How can we (anyone of us) say that it is morally acceptable for them to have intercourse but immoral to have children? If one is bad, why not the other? Food for thought.
Edited by Vindicated57, Jun 25 2013, 11:03 AM.
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Warden of Wisdom
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The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent. -Carl Sagan
Because one results in an offspring that could be potentially set back severely, and is unfair to the child. The other is two people loving each other. Those are pretty damn different.
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ViperKang
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I agree. On paper one is the consenting love of two people. The other is a tragic occurence of that union. Btw still think that sterilizing them goes way too far. Maybe PSA's and if they ignore those harsh economical reprocusions.
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The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent. -Carl Sagan
...Contraception...
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ViperKang
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Yes because everyone who should take contraception does. That's why America has almost no teen pregnancies....wait.
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ViperKang
Jun 25 2013, 11:36 AM
Yes because everyone who should take contraception does. That's why America has almost no teen pregnancies....wait.
There's always going to be an exception. I think it was, or still is, illegal for people in China to have more than one child. Do they all do this? I'm sure there's some farmer off in China who has 5 kids. Incest is illegal in some states. Incest is probably present in those states. If incest were to be made legal, but illegal to have children, I'm sure there would still be some couples who will have children. We can't prevent it, but we can try to minimize it the best we can.
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ViperKang
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Exactly. Hence hitting their wallet. Maybe if they have a kid they have to pay a special tax or pay more into somethign like medicare. And if they feel they can't take care of the child and try to give it to adoption or the state they have to BOTH pay the state/adoptive parents a kind of child support. It is not within our power to control someone's right to reproduce but we can set up sanctions that will strongly discourage it. If you were going to have a relationship with a relative and you knew having a kid would mean you lose a sizeable chunk of your paycheck if you do you'll go running for safe sex. Money talks. Always will.
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Huzzahfortimelines
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To be honest, if we're taking the fact of "people will always find a way to avoid the law"-talk in my previous post, and apply it to your idea, that'll mean that there will be incest-couples with a kid, and have no reprocussion because of it. I'd rather it be made illegal. There are also some benefits because of this, like a higher adoption rate.
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You can't make breeding illegal. It's just not practical. Remember. There's a HIGHER chance of abnormalities in incest children but that doesn't mean it's set in stone. How could you enforce the law if an incestuous couple have a perfectly healthy kid? Hell how would you know they were brother and sister? You'd have to start blood testing every couple who has a kid to see if they are connected by blood. And then what? If they are siblings you force them to abort the baby and send them to jail? How do you know that their child would have lead a horrible life? Hell there are children right now leading really tough lives because their parents were genetically incapable of producing a healthy offspring. Yet they are allowed to live what life they were given.

This line of thought leads us off topic but it should be said. To look at an incestuous couple and demand they be banned from having a child is wrong on the grounds of basic human rights. The same way we are willing to allow these people to have a relationship we should allow them to take on the reprocussions of bringing a child into this world. Because think about it. Everyone who has ever heard about incest immediately knows about the child bearing taboo. "Don't have kids they'll be mutated freakish monsters." Obviously that's not true except for the "mutation" aspect but people learn very quickly about the inherent risks of incest babies.

So if you understand that then you realize that if an incestuous couple have a kid it's highly likely they've thought long and hard about it. And I'd argue they have more of a right to have a kid than most people. Think about all the kids who have lived hard, deprived lives because their parents got drunk, had a kid they didn't want but because they felt the need to raise them regularly subject the child(ren) to emotional and physical abuse. There are ALOT of unrelated parents out there who are no where near good parents. At least the incestuous couple are more likely to have forethought and be mentally prepared for hardships when considering having a child.

And as for higher adoption that takes a restructuring of humanity on a biological level. We are literally driven to have offspring of our own. Now because of our intelligence we can make the sacrifice to not have children and instead adopt. But that is the exception. It's the same as abstinence. We CAN have the mental fortitude to not follow our sex drives but that's the exception. The vast majority of humanity has and always will fall prey to that instinctual drive to mate and reproduce. Making incest babies illegal will not help adoption just put alot of people in jail for following nature. Look at China. They know there are ALOT of Chinese children that need adoption and yet they are more willing to just have the one child than adopt several children who need the homes.
Edited by ViperKang, Jun 25 2013, 12:37 PM.
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