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| Is owning a pet the same as slavery and is it wrong or right?; look at Title. | |
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| Warden of Wisdom | Aug 19 2013, 10:50 PM Post #31 |
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Precisely why it isn't anywhere near slavery. |
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| Torabisu | Aug 19 2013, 11:06 PM Post #32 |
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" I don't understand your meaning here, I have a dog and he has never seemed to have any desire other than to lounge around, eat once or twice a day, and occasionally urinate or defaecate where he shouldn't. " ~ Classic What I mean is that they can not do everything they prefer to do because it must be aloud by the owner. Example the dog wants to urinate in the house instead of outside. |
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| Warden of Wisdom | Aug 19 2013, 11:07 PM Post #33 |
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So, urinating 10 feet to the left instead of where you want is slavery...? |
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| Torabisu | Aug 19 2013, 11:13 PM Post #34 |
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" So, urinating 10 feet to the left instead of where you want is slavery...? " ~ Warden No, No what I'm saying now is that they do not have as much freedom as an adult. What I'm saying is that pets are equivalent to that of children. |
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| Warden of Wisdom | Aug 19 2013, 11:17 PM Post #35 |
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Not really. Pet owners do not have a responsibility to raise their pet with a sense of morality, social standing, plan for their future, pay for education, or many other important things. If someone poorly raised a child, they could be a threat to others, themselves, and society. Their entire life could be ruined, and they could suffer in trauma and misery. They could cause harm and destruction. If a pet is poorly raised, it might become hostile, and bite someone. Now, I know that it is entirely wrong to abuse an animal, and I agree with that argument. But I also agree that it's less cruel to 'create' a product of abuse in a pet than in a human being. And, let's say that they are, to some extent, the same. Owning children is not owning slaves. Edited by Warden of Wisdom, Aug 19 2013, 11:18 PM.
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| Torabisu | Aug 20 2013, 12:03 AM Post #36 |
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" Not really. Pet owners do not have a responsibility to raise their pet with a sense of morality, social standing, plan for their future, pay for education, or many other important things. If someone poorly raised a child, they could be a threat to others, themselves, and society. Their entire life could be ruined, and they could suffer in trauma and misery. They could cause harm and destruction. If a pet is poorly raised, it might become hostile, and bite someone. " ~ Warden A child has the ability to grow meanwhile an animal in comparison can not grow to such a level seance humans/owners are not as willing to raise them that's the main difference and true an animal does not have to be raised up to go to college but I disagree that a Pet owner has no important responsibility of raising a pet for they must teach it to do the correct things of teaching them not to poop in the house and by doing so raises the animal to an higher level of understanding. Am I clear? A child has more power than that of an pet due to there higher knowledge and understanding of cause and effect which means a poorly raised child will cause more chaos than that of a poorly raised pet and the same applies to a well raised child and pets. But the point is that both are similar to there standers of living until the child grows up and becomes an adult. " Now, I know that it is entirely wrong to abuse an animal, and I agree with that argument. But I also agree that it's less cruel to 'create' a product of abuse in a pet than in a human being. " ~ Warden True that may be but what I'm saying is that pets and children are equivalent. " And, let's say that they are, to some extent, the same. Owning children is not owning slaves. " ~ Warden Indeed they are not, what I said is that pets are equivalent to children. |
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| Warden of Wisdom | Aug 20 2013, 12:16 AM Post #37 |
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I never said pet owners don't have responsibilities. They, of course, do. Not as many responsibilities as parents, however. So you're saying they're the same as children, in a way. And you understand that they're not slaves. So what's this debate even about? |
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| Torabisu | Aug 20 2013, 12:48 AM Post #38 |
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" I never said pet owners don't have responsibilities. They, of course, do. Not as many responsibilities as parents, however. " Warden My apology for interpreting it incorrectly. " So you're saying they're the same as children, in a way. And you understand that they're not slaves. So what's this debate even about? " ~ Warden Originally it was about is pets and slaves similar but we than moved to that is pets and children are similar but it seams that were in agreement... Maybe its now about if pets deserve to have research on them to see that if is its possible for them to be like children were they can reason cause and effect at similar levels. Than do they deserve to be enhanced so that can have morality, social standing, plan for their future, and have human kneads/interests. You may have noticed that I'm one of those people that believe anything is possible. ( ^ v ^ ) Edited by Torabisu, Aug 20 2013, 12:49 AM.
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| Warden of Wisdom | Aug 20 2013, 12:55 AM Post #39 |
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I'm against cosmetic testing, but pro medical testing. |
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| Torabisu | Aug 20 2013, 01:01 AM Post #40 |
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There also could be someone later on that disagrees with what we think and debates us about pets and slavery are the same or that children and pets are nothing the same. |
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