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The US Shutdown; Come here to share your views on this piece of work
Topic Started: Oct 8 2013, 07:18 PM (561 Views)
Cicada
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I'm not much of someone for politics, but I would like to point out that this has happened many times before. This shutdown isn't really the end of the world, so it seems kind of silly to me to worry about it like it is. It's annoying that our government is full of stubborn people for sure, but it's also comforting (to me at least) that there are people who will stand up for something, regardless of what it is. And do try to keep in mind that, even if it isn't represented here, there is a large amount of the population who don't want a budget with Obamacare in it, and it is the job of our representatives to, well, represent them. RandomMan1 is correct in saying that much of the law goes into effect this year as well.

It's not that I'm a right wing conservative (I tend to lean more liberal if you' were going to peg me as anything, and I fully support Obamacare personally), and a lot of my friends and family work for the government and ARE being affected by this. But even with both of those, I can't really find myself freaking out over it. I'm not saying it isn't bad, because it is, but if this is really the worst thing we have to worry about in life, we're pretty well off all things considered. If this drags on for another few weeks, maybe then I'll start to panic. For now it's just another thing to tack onto the list of things that I'll have in mind when election season comes around.
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RandomMan1
Oct 10 2013, 12:41 PM
Wasn't going to chime in, but I figure this thread needs some opinions from the other end of the spectrum.

Now, let me start by making it clear I do NOT approve of what the Republicans in Congress are doing now, it is counter-productive and only seeks to make them seem worse, and sadden me. However, I do want to note that they are not doing this just to be a bunch of children, and actually have the country's interests at heart.

There are two main arguments coming from Conservatives as to why they are keeping the government on lock-down. The first, which I don't really understand, goes something like this. Since Obamacare requires all American citizens to have healthcare, many believe this violates our rights by forcing us to buy health insurance, and is a step towards socialism. Honestly, I don't understand this one, but there you go.

The 2nd argument makes more sense to me. The Affordable Care Act has measures in place to give subsidies to those who cannot afford health insurance so they can buy this. It's a nice thought, the problem is, we cannot exactly afford said subsidies at the current moment. As a result, many Republicans-myself included-believe that while this isn't in itself a bad idea, it's coming at the worse possible time, and will only worsen the nation economically at a time when we should be trying to cut costs and bring down the debt. When that's accomplished, we can focus on aiding the less fortunate.
I really wouldn't consider myself liberal in anything but economics. I don't trust people with power, be they government or private sector, period. That said, I honestly don't see how socialized health care is any more liberal than socialized education or socialized law enforcement. And this isn't even going that far, it's just a subsidy.

We can afford it fine. Yes, we have a lot of debt, but that really isn't as bad as you think.



Oversimplified a bit, but that's the gist of it.
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Honestly, my opinion on the issue is that the Republicans in the house have good goal, but are tying to accomplish them in the worst possible way. What they should do (in my opinion), is take Obamacare like men (and women), get back to work, and start working with Democrats to fix the economy. Unfortunately, both parties are too stuck in their ways to even consider bipartisanship at the current moment.

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The funny thing is that it was passed. Over three years ago.

Three. Years. Ago.
True, but, if my memory serves me correctly, it didn't take effect until recently.
This is irrelevant. It was passed by both the House and the Senate, signed into law by the president, and declared constitutional by the Supreme Court. There is nothing left to discuss. This is like playing a game of black jack, loosing, and then immolating the dealer instead of paying up.
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Well the thing is I'm terrified at the people affected because Republicans are selfish enough to stop thousands of people's jobs just so they can win, and even then that's childish. Plus that 3 years ago took it long enough to set it up, and that Himmel is the derpiness of our great government. And plus yeah that simplifies that concept of National debt a lot :P
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