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| Should teachers be able to have guns in school?; What do you think? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 19 2013, 11:48 PM (650 Views) | |
| Joey | Oct 19 2013, 11:48 PM Post #1 |
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I know some people on the forum are not in school anymore but some are like me. If you are or not whats your opinion? There have been terrible incidents such as newtown that could have been somewhat prevented if the teachers had guns. If you were in a class and a person just came in and started to shoot people and the teachers didnt have guns you and your classmates would probably die. If the teachers did have guns you would probably survive. The teachers could keep the guns in a safe or some place else so no kids would take the gun. |
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| ViperKang | Oct 20 2013, 11:53 AM Post #2 |
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So let's start with teachers having guns period. It is a known fact that even though teachers are screened for mental health several nut cases slip through the system. It happens. So let's look at a few scenarios. 1) Pedophile teacher: There have been MANY more cases of teachers being sexually forward toward their students than shootings in schools. So now the teachers have a persuasion device. They corner the kid they want and threaten them with their gun. And they threaten to kill students if the student they are after doesn't keep up the relationship or if they tell about the relationship. 2) Disgruntled teacher: Going postal isn't just a phrase. It describes something real. People often handle being unhappy with their jobs in less than reasonable ways. Sometimes it could just be a heated disagreement between coworkers. But people have been shot for beeping at someone on the road. You think people won't shoot each other in a school over an argument? And I'm sure there could be arguments for other scenarios. Now let's take the idea that the NRA loves which is "the only way to stop a good guy with a gun is a bad guy with a gun." That's false. The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to not be caught by surprise. 9/10 situations where someone is shooting to kill they don't announce their plans like some movie villain. They start shooting. Armed guards have been gunned down because the shooting happened faster than they could react. And these are people trained to react to shootings. You think teachers with minimal training would fair better? Not to mention the gunner doesn't need to get into a gun safe. Their guns are loaded and ready. Hell look at that naval base shooting. That's military personnel. And the bad guy with the gun wasn't instantly stopped. You know what would keep schools safer? Metal detectors at every door and either a privately contracted guard force or local police being assigned to guard duty on the premises. THAT will make you more likely to survive. You know what teachers with guns does? Makes them combatants. Makes them high priority targets. If I was a shooter I'd make sure to go for the teacher first. And many of these shooters come prepared with bullet proof vests. So I'm sorry but teachers with guns does nothing more than tell people "Hey! This building has a crap ton of guns in it. Come and get em!" And it also would be a paradise for those who are not of sound mind. |
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| Cicada | Oct 20 2013, 02:10 PM Post #3 |
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No. Two reasons. There's a pretty good chance that it wouldn't help. I don't care to get much into a discussion about gun-rights in general, but most teachers are not the sort who have cool heads in this sort of a situation. Hell, most people in general aren't. There's a world of difference between a nervous kid with a pistol walking into a convenience store coming in and asking for your money, and an orchestrated massacre by a mentally unstable individual who is often ready to die themselves. There have been mass shooting inside military installations (Fort Hood and the recent Navy Yard shooting both come to mind). The fact that there are armed individuals present does not immediately end a threat. To be quite frank, the vast majority of the population are not heroes. And teachers are no exception to this. I can tell you for a fact, that as much as I wish that I would be the hero when danger is around, I wouldn't be. If I was sitting in a classroom and I was told that on the other side of the school there was a maniac with a gun, I would not reach into my desk, grab a gun, and run to save the day. I would lock my door, tell my kids to hide, and maybe as a last thought grab the gun if he barges in. Even then, I'm not sure I could pull the trigger. It takes a lot to kill someone, even in a situation like that, and it's the kind of thing that will cause someone to freeze. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that there isn't a single teacher in the world who could keep a level enough head to take down a mass shooter. I really don't know how many could, maybe there's tons of them. However, it is still the vast minority, and I do not believe it outweighs the risks associated with a school full of guns. While it may help during mass shootings, there would also be a massive increase in the number of other attacks. Not only would there be the risk of teachers going postal, as ViperKang stated above, there is also a significant risk of any student who wants to get into a fight, getting a hold of a gun from one of the teachers. A few years ago at the high school I used to attend there was a girl who ran at a police officer with a fork in an attempt to grab his gun. She got stopped long before she got anywhere near it, but if there were more guns, with less cool headed users in the school, it's possible it would have ended in bloodshed. Hers via a panicked shooting, if not someone else's if she had succeeded. If there are going to be weapons in the schools, they need to be trained professionals. Teachers simply put, aren't police officers. They don't have the training with the weapon, or with the situations to be able to handle any sort of real event reliably. Some might be able to, but all it takes is one mistake to cause a whole lot of damage. How many teachers would be able to think calmly when someone is running at them with a weapon? Edited by Cicada, Oct 20 2013, 02:10 PM.
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| Warden of Wisdom | Oct 20 2013, 02:14 PM Post #4 |
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The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent. -Carl Sagan
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...No one should have guns... But really, teachers should not have guns, and I'm sure most of it is covered above, but I'm lazy today. Edited by Warden of Wisdom, Oct 20 2013, 02:25 PM.
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| PvtCryan502 | Oct 20 2013, 08:55 PM Post #5 |
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No, two reasons There are teachers that aren't the ideal citizens, and metal detectors are a better solution because it's cheaper than buying 375 guns with two clips each. |
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| Warden of Wisdom | Oct 20 2013, 10:24 PM Post #6 |
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The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent. -Carl Sagan
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Yeah, my last school couldn't afford to replace its lead plumbing... |
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| Joey | Oct 20 2013, 10:52 PM Post #7 |
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Well I never thought of any scenarios like thoose and I wish I had. We were doing this in debate club and I wason the side saying they should. I am glad nobody thought of anything like thoose because I would have my ass handed to me. Then again I dont doubt that someone thought of a teacher molesting someone. My viewpoint has been changed. |
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| Warden of Wisdom | Oct 20 2013, 11:13 PM Post #8 |
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The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent. -Carl Sagan
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I commend you for having the honesty and humility to admit when someone has changed your mind. It is respectable, and many people lack the decency to admit it. |
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| PvtCryan502 | Oct 21 2013, 08:04 AM Post #9 |
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More than Just a Conjurer of Cheap Tricks
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That it is. |
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| ClassicGamer102 | Oct 22 2013, 08:45 PM Post #10 |
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Just like to throw my two cents in if that's alright. Let's say hypothetically a teacher has a gun in their desk drawer, then one day a nutcase breaks into the classroom and levels a gun at someone. I'm honestly not sure of the teacher would even think about the gun at that point, subsequent teachers might. But when you're in a life or death situation you're usually not thinking very logically. If you're too terrified to even think about it, what use is a gun? |
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