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Chick-Fil-A; Might be of most interest to the Americans, but I figured we should do another politically thread.
Topic Started: Aug 1 2012, 02:39 PM (1,165 Views)
Delanie
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I see marriage as equal parts religion/cultural heritage and practicality. I like it, I think marriage should be encouraged as I think uncemented families with partners coming and going is an unhealthy environment for children, but I also think government should step clean out of it.

Which means I thought the CFA protests were really stupid. CEO supports traditional marriage. Big deal. It's his right to have that belief and I'm sure he has plenty of reasons for his opinion. His beliefs do not affect his company in any way that I can tell.

On the other hand, getting all upset at the people angry at the man's beliefs is also ridiculous.

I just avoided it altogether.
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Eyes Wide Open
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What I find most interesting is the views of Dan Cathy matched the view of President Obama just a few months ago.

But the main thing that should be of importance is that he runs a corporation that follows all of the laws of the land. This include anti-discrimination laws as presented in Title VII of the Civil Rights Act.

The thing that should be of utmost importance, is the insistence by the mayors of Chicago, Boston and Washington, can dictate the practices of business. That is fascism, pure and simple.



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Azdgari
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EWO, do you support gay marriage? Just curious.
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Eyes Wide Open
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Hi Az,

As a libertarian, what two people do is up to them.
If it is a civil union with all the rights and responsibilities accrued to marriage then good for them.

It needs to be done on a state by state basis though, since requirements for marriages and civil unions fall under the responsibility of each individual state. (See tenth amendment)

I wish, though, that the word marriage wasn't used.
That word has had a very specific definition over the centuries.
If we wish to create a new word for this type of union then that, I believe, would not ruffle as many feathers.

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Azdgari
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It's interesting to me that a lot of people don't support the use of the word marriage. (I do agree with you the rest of it) I read somewhere an argument I found compelling:

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...Of course, the flaw in this argument presents itself in the fact that definitions can and do change over time when the law redefines them (e.g. the definition of a voter went from land owning white lord to land owning white man to white man to man to adult).
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Night Fury
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The argument about the use of the word "marriage" is mainly of issue to religious people. I don't hear secular heterosexuals making an issue of it.

As for a new name, I don't know. What are you supposed to say when someone asks you "are you married?"

"No, I'm united." ?

Not bad, I guess.

Okay then, so how about we just give religious people the word "marriage". Let them have it if they are so convinced they own it. Get it out of government entirely.

Then, let's label all secular marriages as "unions", regardless of whether they are hetero or same sex. Would that work?
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"Union" would work for me. If there must be a government recognition of marriage, that might as well be it. Then everyone would be free to do whatever ceremony or lack thereof with whatever consenting adult they choose.

On a side note... I understand Europe doesn't recognize religious ceremonies. Why is that?
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Walter Roehrich
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On a side note... I understand Europe doesn't recognize religious ceremonies. Why is that?


I heard that in the past governments wanted to control the parish registers in order to have a good data source for vital statistics. I think that's why in some countries a marriage is only recognized when confirmed by a civil registry.
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Backroads
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But I think religious couples will still have ceremonies after the civil ones.
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Aug 11 2012, 09:35 AM
But I think religious couples will still have ceremonies after the civil ones.
I think the civil union would come first, then the marriage ceremony in a church would come second. And of course, churches would be free to pick and choose who they allow to get married, it wouldn't just be granted to any couple who wants it.

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