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| Raven | Jul 24 2011, 07:22 AM Post #11 |
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I was thinking of a "step up" program for the voting...maybe no voting before aged 17 and then only if they meet certain criteria like work duties, performance, outstanding show of maturity etc. Still working on the outline. |
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| Mommacat | Jul 27 2011, 04:19 AM Post #12 |
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Absolutely, there should be a way to earn the privelege. |
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| HandFarming | Jul 27 2011, 11:42 AM Post #13 |
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What an interesting topic. How to set things up During and AFTER. I read The Long Emergency (by Howard Kunstler) a few years ago. In his fictional world AFTER, people pooled together locally with much the same hierarchy we have now, but less formal. Like the video I saw today from YankeePrepper - it depends on if law and order break down as to how bad things get. As far as dividing up "things" - things brought into the group should go with the ones that brought them when people are ready to leave. Things developed while in the group - food grown, animals multiplied, items made or collected -should be shared. I guess I don't think of hungry people (which I suspect there will be many), as enemies. In The Long Emergency, one of the characters re-established a civilized functioning group quickly because he was prepared. Many joined the group for the safety of the numbers, the regular meals and shared work load. I see the people on this group as being those kind of preppers to see far enough ahead for the whatever. Though electricity was set up, they kinda functioned like Amish. The Amish live under the good graces to do what is needed for those who need it as they think of all people as their neighbors. Another book by Kuntsler is "The World Made by Hand" and also describes an end-times but more like an economic collapse. On the other side of that coin, if life turns into something like "The Road", then I suspect most survivors will head to warmer climate areas and will only be temporary problems as they pass through on the way south. Living with people you do not know well enough in the worst case scenario is never recommended. I tell people they are on their own for the first months and until weather makes traveling safe so they should be ready to hold-out for at least that amount of time. After 1-6 months in a SHTF situation, those that planned and those that didn't are weeded out and identifiable. At that point, you can expect people to be pliable enough to do what they need to do to support their survival without question. . . I know I would! I've no thoughts on people management to the extent listed here as presently, not many people want to grow their own food by hand...presently. I also understand the greatest threat to people AFTER is depression (especially children) so those things need to be addressed before you can manage anyone. |
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| Mommacat | Jul 28 2011, 03:39 AM Post #14 |
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There is much to prepping for a group that needs to be decided ahead of time. While some might think everyone should just get along and let love be their guide, all it takes is one "unlovely" person to blow that happy little thought out of the water. Also, its good to keep in mind that while food is certainly intergral to prepping, there are other aspects of survivial that a person must plan for. Defense, shelter, water, medical, to name just a few. Even if you are only prepping for a single family, you still need to cover as many bases as you possibly can. |
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| Raven | Jul 28 2011, 07:17 PM Post #15 |
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"I guess I don't think of hungry people (which I suspect there will be many), as enemies." I think that hungry people are a very real threat. Hungry people are desperate. Desperate do many unsavory things with self justification. People have been told for generations that they are entitled to what has become an expanded list of basics. Many of these people have gotten these basics through no labor of their own and no understanding of what someone has to go through to provide these basics. All they will know is that they want and you have. That will be all they need. It is human nature and has been this way since the dawn of time. Even the old testament has stories of Cain and Abel and of the Prodigal Son. If you feed the hungry masses that show up you will be opening your door to a risk that will not only involve you but anyone that is in your group. Noah built and ark because of a warning God gave to everyone. Noah listened and lived, others didn't listen and they died. Noah had to live with the memories of the crying and pleading people who realized to late that they no longer had the ability to get on that boat. It was to late and they died. That same parallel can be drawn now. I am not saying that charity is a bad thing, I am saying that it needs to be done so no one will know where it came from. |
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| HandFarming | Jul 28 2011, 09:23 PM Post #16 |
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That's well said Raven. Guess I should be thinking more strategically than technically. My main focus in farming has been to learn to ride out peak oil without issues which I thought would be a gradual decline of goods/services. The focus for us has been developing farming tools to make a farm productive on less oil, gas, diesel, methods of food production with less energy and making our own energy on the farm. As of the last 6 weeks, the whole game plan has changed but my mindset hasn't....I'll work on that. |
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| Raven | Jul 28 2011, 11:22 PM Post #17 |
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One of the hardest things in the world to do is to change your own mindset. I worked on it and continue to work on it all of the time. I don't know what is coming, what form it will take and what time table that it will follow. What I do know is that it WILL come and ultimately my survival and that of those that are in our group, depends on me and what I do. That is a scarey thing for me especially when I know that my own personal battle with myself never seems to stop. It is comforting to hear that you feel that same way even if only at times. |
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| Mommacat | Jul 29 2011, 01:42 AM Post #18 |
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Raven, in my humble opinion, you are much too hard on yourself. Your efforts and planning are well ahead of the curve, at this point. While it may be true that not everything you envision always happens or gets done, you have at least put thought and a rough plan into most things. As for "mindset", I think we can all agree that the required mindset right now is to become as self-suffiencent as possible and to make provisions for survival. Just sayin...
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| HandFarming | Jul 29 2011, 04:32 AM Post #19 |
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My avatar updates regularly showing the current solar conditions. Judging from reading the posts on this site, this whole group is ahead of the curve. And yes- having at least thought of "it" gives everyone here the first inkling of what to do when it needs to be done. Some days it feels like I should give in and go enjoy that cheap Mc D maggot-filled burger raised in a filthy feed lot like the rest of the crowd, laugh my cares away and forget about what I feel I must be doing. . . which today is putting onions away, caring for hooves, drying summer squash and a little cleaning. . . I should start by quit feeling sorry for myself. I may be imagining all my reasons for prepping - I could be 100% off base like everyone in my family thinks I am (except my hubby) but I am going to do it anyway and hope its enough when the time comes whether its peak oil, economic collapse or comets. |
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| Grizzly | Jul 29 2011, 08:10 AM Post #20 |
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I know exactly what your saying. I guess one thing that keeps me in line are the people I work with. Many are younger guys 18-30 and the things that they prioritize just blows me away and the CRAP they eat for lunch, mostly from local gas stations. We pick on them often about the ingredients and all have a good laugh but they go right back to it the next day. I guess it just makes me feel better that I have a goal that is more than getting the newest cell phone or other useless gadjet. |
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