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| Mommacat | Jul 29 2011, 08:36 AM Post #21 |
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I think that's a great topic for discussion: What keeps us on track when we feel discouraged or feel like the situ is hopeless, or that whatever we do won't make a crap-lot of difference. For me, what brings me back to the prepping mindset is when I think about the possibility of having the same mindless, entitlement driven, liberal thinking generation being in charge of rebuilding our society after a major catastrophe. I consider myself a fairly well-schooled student of history (emphaisis on American) and I also believe in the Constitution as surely as I believe in the Bible. So, the idea that some moron that lived on gov't largese and contributed nothing could end up "in charge" scares the hell outa me. I want to survive so that I can give my grandkids the education and understanding of what America once was and, perhaps, can be again. That's my reason for prepping and what keeps it "fresh" in my mind - what's your reason? |
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| Raven | Jul 29 2011, 08:43 AM Post #22 |
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I prep because I don't want to be one of those mindless drones that go from place to place seeking a handout and I HATE the idea of being reliant on someone for my welfare. That, in my mind, would make me a slave to the person/entity that controled the handouts and that being the case, I'd rather be dead. I'd like to hold off on the eternal glory thing until absolutely necessary so this seems to be the logical way to go.
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| HandFarming | Jul 29 2011, 09:55 PM Post #23 |
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I think I started "prepping" mentally when I was a kid and my Granny gave me a Fox Fire book. I eventually collected them all (back in the 70s). Then I learned of a small town in WI, Galesville that has a mainly Scottish heritage and they have a 8' concrete bunker built in the 1880s under the town - accessible through the businesses around it. A gazebo sits dead center and half the people who have lived there for years - didn't even know it exists. The following years just left the idea of why prep since everything seemed so bountiful. Until the Towers went down it didn't seem like anything was going on behind the scenes. Then we started looking behind the main stream media news and nothing was what it looked like on the surface and then in 2004 we started finding about the peak oil warnings. So we moved from the comfy lake house and lake life to a farm to learn how to -at the very least, learn to feed ourselves and hopefully more as well as solve our own energy dilemma and thankfully we have the resources to do it. Taking time to research stuff has been a real blessing too. Not to mention what an amazing journey with plenty of brain candy. A few years ago the brain candy came in small bites, now its coming in indigestible platefuls and I'm overwhelmed. Some days I envy the zombies, sheeple and carefree mindless shopaholics knowing I have no hope to ever see that life again as I was always thinking I could give up this self-imposed lifestyle until recently. . . .I should quit feeling sorry for myself and get back to the what needs to be done. |
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| HandFarming | Jul 29 2011, 09:57 PM Post #24 |
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I should mention - I know some fake preppers and wish I would have identified the fake-ness sooner. How are you guys identifying them? |
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| Raven | Jul 30 2011, 09:56 AM Post #25 |
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Trial and error I am sorry to say. I have made about every mistake out there. You have to talk to them for a long time...get to know them and get a feel for them and what they think. One of the mistakes that I made was that I was in such a hurry to get numbers in our group (safety in numbers etc) that I overlooked some things. Take your time in looking...not everyone that has a clue of what is coming is approaching things the same way and that can be disaster. Now, I try to be more careful about what I say, to whom I say it and I am very VERY cautious about meeting people at our BOL. |
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| HandFarming | Jul 30 2011, 10:29 PM Post #26 |
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I can identify totally with that. Half the people and their thinking they have guns to get what they need scares the crap outta me. They don't want to do the work, they don't want to do the thinking things through. They just want answers and someone to keep doing things for them - give them food, clean water and comfy shelter with a lot of brain dead entertainment. I do trust some of my family but they just don't seem to get that is happening in the world thinking things will go as they have in the past. They think I'm off my rocker but finally I am getting some response. But it could be too late as I told everyone this spring, get your gardens in with so many reasons-food will be 10times higher next year, better nutrition (who knows what's in that crap they sell) and we are looking at a collapsing dollar so Food, Energy and Warm Shelter will make all the differences if they not deponent systems. That was 6 months ago and not a one showed up to take advantage of free garden space, help cut wood for heat or talk about plans. They are great people in the work a day world and I love them dearly but have no idea what I would do if they showed up here looking for handouts when I have been preaching peak oil to them now for years. |
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| Mommacat | Jul 30 2011, 11:12 PM Post #27 |
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The problem with non-prepping loved ones is something we all struggle with. Turning away your child or grandchildren in a SHTF situ would be impossible for most of us, especially if "out there" was dangerous. I was thinking about it the other day and wondered if it might make sense to offer our non-preppers a relatively easy way for them to "help". If you could get them to at least contribute financially, that might be a way to go about it. If they would at least do that, it would go quite a way toward being able to help them survive. Also, in that case, when they show up at your door, you would be in a better position to absorb them into the group. I have to say, of all the dilemmas preppers face, non-prepping family is the hardest. We all know we'd jump into shark infested waters to try to save them, so its ridiculous for us to pretend that we'd ever be able to turn them away, no matter what the circumstances were, or how unnecessary, maybe even silly, they once thought prepping was. |
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| HandFarming | Jul 31 2011, 03:50 AM Post #28 |
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Ya know- ya want to tell people to get ready and they act like your a nut case so I can feel pretty foolish and get accused of crying wolf. . . except there's a WOLF!! It occupies my mind a lot as I'm at the point where I don't care anymore if I sound like a nut job - maybe one person will listen and I've done some good. My latest thinking tells me to think about the safest place they can get to closest to them, which depends on their situation. I like Raven's idea on storing things different places! Wonder if I can ever get around to doing it! |
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| Raven | Jul 31 2011, 01:59 PM Post #29 |
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A junkyard can hold alot of things...the tail pipe of a junk car can be a wonderful place that most people won't look. A buried freezer can hold ALOT. You can get them for free from the recycling center near you. Here you just have to promise that you bring it back if you are done with it. You tell them that you need a rat proof feed container and they don't think a thing of it. a 5 gallon bucket buried under or near a fence post is another place. The biggest thing is to remember where you put it. Think outside the box. |
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| Mommacat | Aug 1 2011, 12:14 AM Post #30 |
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A good hiding tactic is to build false walls in a shed. You make the interior walls about 4 inches from the outside walls (actually, that would be about the distance of a regular wall). But, put shelves into the spaces between the studs and then "wall it up". Of course, you must be certain that what you put in there can withstand freezing, etc. and be mouse-proof. Then, to disguise it better, hang "crap" on the inside wall - old harnesses, hoses, hand tools, etc. anything so that the wall doesn't look "odd". |
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