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Topic Started: 9th May 2009 - 03:56 PM (4,083 Views)
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The show is designed as an "entrance" to conspiracy theory. It has 40 minutes to portray a theory that often spans decades of research and hundreds of books. You can imagine that will seem a bit haphazard. It's decent to watch but it isn't a substitute for a good book or a longer, more in depth documentary.

The JFK one will be interesting though, he implied he is gonna play the confession tape of a CIA agent who worked at the time of the assassination and admitted he was in on the plot. Alex Jones has played it before on his radio show but it got no coverage at all in mainstream media.

June Sarpong is useless and the other guys are characters. The guy who in the first 4 episodes is the main conspiracy believer for Jesse suddenly pulls a heel turn in one and dismisses the theory (I think it is Big Brother) without reason while the original heel is the guy who believes Governments keep an unnecessary tab on people.

It's on the same channel as that "Repo Men" thing which is actors too, so it is to be expected.
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I've wentb back to it and I'm not sold at all. I don't think the show has any value as an introduction to conspiracy theories. It's pretty much baseless and seems to have some outright deception in.

For instance, the part at the HAARP gates where they get 'interference' - well it's pretty unconvincing, and from my time at Uni there visual interference seemed quite similar to post-edited effects on footage. There's also this examination of it which demonstrates that it was faked - http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread524228/pg1

There's no real evidence discussed. There seems to be a large effort made to make random people "experts". One moment focused on an interview with a woman who ran a coffee shop in the nearby town and focused on her opinion that it was definately a "weapon". The next scene was Jesse talking to a fat, bearded old guy wearing a 50 Cent t-shirt who was saying he'd talked to people and heard that they used mind control. There's also a lot of time spent extrapolating the results of tiny-scale experiements to "demonstrate" the ability of other equipment to manipulate weather patterns and such, when the original experiement has no such validity.

It was a big disappointment, and Jesse's certainly sold out here. I'd respected him for seemingly being a straight talker, but this show he's put himself on is bollocks packaged together to look plausible, and the only 'search' undertaken is one for ratings and exposure. I'm more disappointed as I'm quite open to alternative theories and have previously watched and enjoyed stuff by Alex Jones like Endgame and the Obama Deception.

Anyway, it becomes quite comical, so I'm going to watch the rest of the 9/11 episode with a sarnie to brighten my day.
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Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of it as such myself. It certainly is a "TV version" of the theories discussed but to someone like me who has read up on these things my whole life - it represents a big leap forward that a TV channel like this is on TV discussing these things without the BBC-esque "many believers think the jooooos did 9/11" slander that literally no one thinks. You will find about 5 websites that hold that theory and most are called "Jewwatch" and the like.
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"Foundation X" are coming to a location near you:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201011/ldhansrd/text/101101-0003.htm

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At this point, I am going to have to make a very big apology to my noble friend Lord Sassoon, because I am about to raise a subject that I should not raise and which is going to be one which I think is now time to put on a higher awareness, and to explain to the House as a whole, as I do not think your Lordships have any knowledge of it. I am sorry my noble friend Lord Strathclyde is not with us at the moment, because this deeply concerns him also.

For the past 20 weeks I have been engaged in a very strange dialogue with the two noble Lords, in the course of which I have been trying to bring to their attention the willing availability of a strange organisation which wishes to make a great deal of money available to assist the recovery of the economy in this country. For want of a better name, I shall call it foundation X. That is not its real name, but it will do for the moment. Foundation X was introduced to me 20 weeks ago last week by an eminent City firm, which is FSA controlled. Its chairman came to me and said, "We have this extraordinary request to assist in a major financial reconstruction. It is megabucks, but we need your help to assist us in understanding whether this business is legitimate". I had the biggest put down of my life from my noble friend Lord Strathclyde when I told him this story. He said, "Why you? You're not important enough to have the answer to a question like that". He is quite right, I am not important enough, but the answer to the next question was, "You haven't got the experience for it". Yes I do. I have had one of the biggest experiences in the laundering of terrorist money and funny money that anyone has had in the City. I have handled billions of pounds of terrorist money.

Baroness Hollis of Heigham: Where did it go to?

Lord James of Blackheath: Not into my pocket. My biggest terrorist client was the IRA and I am pleased to say that I managed to write off more than £1 billion of its money. I have also had extensive connections with north African terrorists, but that was of a far nastier nature, and I do not want to talk about that because it is still a security issue. I hasten to add that it is no good getting the police in, because I shall immediately call the Bank of England as my defence witness, given that it put me in to deal with these problems.

The point is that when I was in the course of doing this strange activity, I had an interesting set of phone numbers and references that I could go to for help when I needed it. So people in the City have known that if they want to check out anything that looks at all odd, they can come to me and I can press a few phone numbers to obtain a reference. The City firm came to me and asked whether I could get a reference and a clearance on foundation X. For 20 weeks, I have been endeavouring to do that. I have come to the absolute conclusion that foundation X is completely genuine and sincere and that it directly wishes to make the United Kingdom one of the principal points that it will use to disseminate its extraordinarily great wealth into the world at this present moment, as part of an attempt to seek the recovery of the global economy.



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I made the phone call to my noble friend Lord Strathclyde on a Sunday afternoon-I think he was sitting on his lawn, poor man-and he did the quickest ball pass that I have ever witnessed. If England can do anything like it at Twickenham on Saturday, we will have a chance against the All Blacks. The next think I knew, I had my noble friend Lord Sassoon on the phone. From the outset, he took the proper defensive attitude of total scepticism, and said, "This cannot possibly be right". During the following weeks, my noble friend said, "Go and talk to the Bank of England". So I phoned the governor and asked whether he could check this out for me. After about three days, he came back and said, "You can get lost. I'm not touching this with a bargepole; it is far too difficult. Take it back to the Treasury". So I did. Within another day, my noble friend Lord Sassoon had come back and said, "This is rubbish. It can't possibly be right". I said, "I am going to work more on it". Then I brought one of the senior executives from foundation X to meet my noble friend Lord Strathclyde. I have to say that, as first dates go, it was not a great success. Neither of them ended up by inviting the other out for a coffee or drink at the end of the evening, and they did not exchange telephone numbers in order to follow up the meeting.

I found myself between a rock and a hard place that were totally paranoid about each other, because the foundation X people have an amazing obsession with their own security. They expect to be contacted only by someone equal to head of state status or someone with an international security rating equal to the top six people in the world. This is a strange situation. My noble friends Lord Sassoon and Lord Strathclyde both came up with what should have been an absolute killer argument as to why this could not be true and that we should forget it. My noble friend Lord Sassoon's argument was that these people claimed to have evidence that last year they had lodged £5 billion with British banks. They gave transfer dates and the details of these transfers. As my noble friend Lord Sassoon, said, if that were true it would stick out like a sore thumb. You could not have £5 billion popping out of a bank account without it disrupting the balance sheet completely. But I remember that at about the same time as those transfers were being made the noble Lord, Lord Myners, was indulging in his game of rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic of the British banking community. If he had three banks at that time, which had had, say, a deficiency of £1.5 million each, then you would pretty well have absorbed the entire £5 billion, and you would not have had the sore thumb stick out at that time; you would have taken £1.5 billion into each of three banks and you would have absorbed the lot. That would be a logical explanation-I do not know.

My noble friend Lord Strathclyde came up with a very different argument. He said that this cannot be right because these people said at the meeting with him that they were still effectively on the gold standard from back in the 1920s and that their entire currency holdings throughout the world, which were very large, were backed by bullion. My noble friend Lord Strathclyde came back and said to me that he had an analyst working on it and that this had to be stuff and nonsense. He said that they had come up with a figure

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for the amount of bullion that would be needed to cover their currency reserves, as claimed, which would be more than the entire value of bullion that had ever been mined in the history of the world. I am sorry but my noble friend Lord Strathclyde is wrong; his analysts are wrong. He had tapped into the sources that are available and there is only one definitive source for the amount of bullion that has ever been taken from the earth's crust. That was a National Geographic magazine article 12 years ago. Whatever figure it was that was quoted was then quoted again on six other sites on the internet-on Google. Everyone is quoting one original source; there is no other confirming authority. But if you tap into the Vatican accounts-of the Vatican bank-you come up with a claim of total bullion-

Lord De Mauley: The noble Lord is into his fifteenth minute. I wonder whether he can draw his remarks to a conclusion.

Lord James of Blackheath: The total value of the Vatican bank reserves would claim to be more than the entire value of gold ever mined in the history of the world. My point on all of this is that we have not proven any of this. Foundation X is saying at this moment that it is prepared to put up the entire £5 billion for the funding of the three Is recreation; the British Government can have the entire independent management and control of it-foundation X does not want anything to do with it; there will be no interest charged; and, by the way, if the British Government would like it as well, if it will help, it will be prepared to put up money for funding hospitals, schools, the building of Crossrail immediately with £17 billion transfer by Christmas, if requested, and all these other things. These things can be done, if wished, but a senior member of the Government has to accept the invitation to a phone call to the chairman of foundation X-and then we can get into business. This is too big an issue. I am just an ageing, obsessive old Peer and I am easily dispensable, but getting to the truth is not. We need to know what really is happening here. We must find out the truth of this situation.


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I suspect, as the youtube commentator so eloquently put it, "nigga gon lost his mind".

But I've put in a call to a couple of guys I know in government to find out what the skinny is.

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I suspect, as the youtube commentator so eloquently put it, "nigga gon lost his mind".
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I love how he casually laughs off handling billions of pounds of money for terrorists and no one thinks anything of it. That has to be one of the most bizarre speeches ever given in that place, lol.
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That's pretty bizarre stuff there.

Anyone know what the fuck he's on about?
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Sky News have spotted it too.
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Jesse Ventura refuses to fly anymore
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Watched JFK the other night. I love that film - even given the fact that most of the "case" is bollocks, it's a great visualisation of the creeping paranoia of obsessive conspiracy theorists.

Having said that... I still basically think JFK was killed by trained assassins and that Oswald was a patsy. Do you think we'll ever actually learn what happened, or is it all too long ago now that everyone involved is basically dead?

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Oliver Stone said himself that he created a myth to counter the Warren myth. I love the fact that Earl Warren was played by the real Jim Garrison, great touch!

I don't think we will ever know, I think Oswald was in on it in some capacity but he wasn't acting alone.
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There is a confession tape for a proven former CIA agent who admitted to being involved in the assassination. Alex Jones played it on his show a while ago. I think it's quite clear he was done in but we will never get the full info.

Unless WikiLeaks get a hold of documents, that is, lol. Does no one find it concerning that the likes of Sarah Palin and Tom Flanagan are calling for Julian Assange to be assassinated?

What a free world we live in. If this stuff isn't proof a cabal don't want the public to be free and have full information, then I don't know what is. WikiLeaks is proof conspiracy theories aren't that wacky after all.
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Alex Jones is a nutball though, I wouldn't believe anything he puts out at face value.

The interesting thing about WikiLeaks is that it shows that conspiracy theorists are whacked out nutjobs. Where are the Bilderburg documents? Where's the proof of the secret world government plotting 9/11? Where are the dicussions of payments to the lizards or pow-wows with the aliens?

All that these super-secret documents actually reveal is quite a lot of bitching about world leaders /allies, and that in fact the world is pretty much as it seems and diplomats really do spend most of their time pretending to like each other for the sake of trade and politics.

Essentially, there is no smoking gun.

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I was referring more to how someone telling the truth is openly called for assasination by politicians and how there seem to be never ending cover ups of financial and military fuck up's. Fuck all we are told is true.

I have a strong interest in all the fringe theories you mentioned and I read on them, but they aren't all there is and they aren't my main interest. This just seems a standard fall back to dismiss everything because of another point. It's close minded.

"Oh, the world is as the TV man says because lizards didn't crash a plane into my gran's cunt" isn't a logical reason to think politicians just try their best but aren't that great. It isn't Julian Assange that needs assassinating.

*EDIT - I am talking generally here and not to Loki or anyone on here specifically. I am referring to the window lickers who believe everything a politician says because they wear the black suit uniform and say it on TV.*

Edited by wickywoowoo, 2nd December 2010 - 11:03 PM.
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