The General Election Thread

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The General Election Thread
Tweet Topic Started: 12th January 2010 - 01:03 PM (1,794 Views)
ButchReedMark	24th March 2010 - 01:36 PM Post #46
You're Fuckin' Out! Posts: 3,426 Group: Moderators Member #7 Joined: July 2008	Honky 24th March 2010 - 12:02 PM Any day now I reckon kids – the big boss at the DCSF has emailed me to check what work we have out in the field. We are gearing up for purdah. The new Labour Candidate phoned my house canvassing on Monday, so it must be dead close.



Honky	24th March 2010 - 02:01 PM Post #47
Nut Deep in Random Pussy Posts: 1,988 Group: Members Member #164 Joined: January 2010	I’ll stick my neck out and say they will announce it tomorrow.



Loki	24th March 2010 - 03:06 PM Post #48
The Daddy Posts: 7,879 Group: Admin Member #25 Joined: July 2008	Yup, they just needed to get through the budget which has been interesting viewing. Bad news for Al - 10% incease in duties on cider.



ButchReedMark	24th March 2010 - 03:12 PM Post #49
You're Fuckin' Out! Posts: 3,426 Group: Moderators Member #7 Joined: July 2008	Bad news for Tory peers keeping money in Belize to save on Tax as well.



Lurk	24th March 2010 - 04:51 PM Post #50
Welsh Viking Posts: 1,410 Group: Members Member #148 Joined: May 2009	Underneath this topic I got and ad for the lib dems. I'm guessing the budget was the usual more tax on fuel, booze and fags.



Harry	24th March 2010 - 05:58 PM Post #51
Top Poster Posts: 4,852 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: July 2008	As of today i've had no leaflets or whatever from any political parties, which is surprising (unless the missus is tossing it away as it come in). None of the parties interest me in the slightest though.



Barley	24th March 2010 - 08:57 PM Post #52
Gis A Job. Posts: 677 Group: Members Member #158 Joined: September 2009	Lurk 24th March 2010 - 04:51 PM Underneath this topic I got and ad for the lib dems. I'm guessing the budget was the usual more tax on fuel, booze and fags. An extra 20p for 20 cigs. Cunts.



L G Ramon	25th March 2010 - 02:49 AM Post #53
Junior Member Posts: 592 Group: Members Member #129 Joined: October 2008	Alot of the yoof seem to be leaning towards the Lib Dems which is silly seeing as they're economically similar to the Tories and socially similar to Labour, I think these young 'uns just think they're an alternative despite having the slightest clue about Liberalism and that it's bloody evil I tells ya. I suppose the best I can hope for is a hung parliament. For the record I would be voting Labour if I could.



Al Watson	25th March 2010 - 03:13 AM Post #54
Regular Member Posts: 1,908 Group: Members Member #138 Joined: January 2009	I wasn't paying full attention but did I hear Paxman say there's something to do with cider and tax? I didn't like the sound of it anyway.



L G Ramon	25th March 2010 - 06:03 AM Post #55
Junior Member Posts: 592 Group: Members Member #129 Joined: October 2008	Should be a criminal offence really, drinking it I mean.



Loki	25th March 2010 - 11:19 AM Post #56
The Daddy Posts: 7,879 Group: Admin Member #25 Joined: July 2008	L G Ramon 25th March 2010 - 02:49 AM Alot of the yoof seem to be leaning towards the Lib Dems which is silly seeing as they're economically similar to the Tories and socially similar to Labour, I think these young 'uns just think they're an alternative despite having the slightest clue about Liberalism and that it's bloody evil I tells ya. I suppose the best I can hope for is a hung parliament. For the record I would be voting Labour if I could. Why don't you expand on the evils of liberalism for all us thickies then Ramon?



L G Ramon	25th March 2010 - 11:47 AM Post #57
Junior Member Posts: 592 Group: Members Member #129 Joined: October 2008	Loki 25th March 2010 - 11:19 AM L G Ramon 25th March 2010 - 02:49 AM Alot of the yoof seem to be leaning towards the Lib Dems which is silly seeing as they're economically similar to the Tories and socially similar to Labour, I think these young 'uns just think they're an alternative despite having the slightest clue about Liberalism and that it's bloody evil I tells ya. I suppose the best I can hope for is a hung parliament. For the record I would be voting Labour if I could. Why don't you expand on the evils of liberalism for all us thickies then Ramon? Two main points really, negative freedom, which is a lack of restraints on what you can do rather than a guarantee of rights you have that cannot be taken away from you by anyone else, is completely pointless because it allows people to do whatever they wish despite any affect it might have on anyone else. The other is Liberal economic policy, that being free-market capitalism, is the promotion of the exploitation of those willing to sell their labour for personal capital gain without restriction, which leads to a clearly defined class system which is best seen in Victorian England when purely Liberal economics were the dominant force and again under Thatcher and Regan when pure economic Liberalism was again the focus which lead to the widening of rich and poor gaps. I see this as a kind of economic Darwinism which is without moral regard. I'd rather see Conservative economics than Liberal but unfortunately all three parties use a Liberal economic base, Lib Dems and Tories are much the same but at least Labour try to apply socialistic goals to their economics through a sort of Social Democracy. My point is that with the Tories the ends aren't there, with the Lib Dems the ends aren't there and with Labour though the means have changed the ends remain the same.



Loki	25th March 2010 - 12:56 PM Post #58
The Daddy Posts: 7,879 Group: Admin Member #25 Joined: July 2008	Ah right. I wouldn't call that economic policy as liberalism per se. What you're describing is just free market capitalism, it's not really got anything to do with the principles of liberalism. On the first point... well, for me the thing that separates the modern LibDem party from the others is the idea of responsibilities as well as rights. Guaranteeing people's rights is all very well, but a good society is give as well as take, and people should have responsibilities enshrined as well. No party goes far enough with this to my liking, but at least with the Lib Dems there's a hint of the balancing act. There's a recognition that neither the heavy bureaucracy/restricitveness of Labour nor the principles of unfettered capitalism of the Tories are right. To quote Spitting Image "neither to the left nor the right, but somewhere in the middle".



L G Ramon	25th March 2010 - 01:23 PM Post #59
Junior Member Posts: 592 Group: Members Member #129 Joined: October 2008	Well it does, it's where the term Liberalism comes from "to leave it alone, to be liberal with your restrictions" of course there's room to be restrictive but to be what might be considered as overly restrictive would simply not be Liberal. Names and quotes would be offered if I could find my books, though the best text to support my points would be Adam Smith's Pin factory (Division of Labour) bit in the Wealth of Nations and probably some shit Ricardo said. I had a read of the basic blurb on the Lib Dems website earlier and there seemed to be a heavy focus on tax cuts, lower spending and part Privatisation of the royal mail, these few policy examples I would have attributed to the Tories if I had been asked to place them without prior knowledge. Either way, I am of the opinion and many economists are of the same opinion that a more Keynesian approach to economics and a more leftward shift is what is needed, as proven in the example of Australia's stimulus package, rather than the further support of capitalism through tax breaks and what have you. Basically I agree with this article that I posted in the other thread: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/17/this-lib-dem-myth Edited by L G Ramon, 25th March 2010 - 01:28 PM.



Loki	25th March 2010 - 02:27 PM Post #60
The Daddy Posts: 7,879 Group: Admin Member #25 Joined: July 2008	That analysis is whack though, as has been quickly pointed out below the article. Quote: This time round, the centrepiece of the Lib Dem manifesto is a radical £17bn tax cut in the form of increasing the income tax allowance. It has been branded as a tax cut focused on struggling families and "a vital measure of social justice". The reality is very different. Raising tax thresholds doesn't help the poorest because they don't have enough to pay income tax. That's the unemployed, low-paid part-time workers and many pensioners. Analysis published this week shows that 3m households in the poorest quarter of the population would see not a penny from this £17bn policy The very poorest don't pay income tax ANYWAY at the moment so no income tax cut or re-jig is EVER going to help them. So his point makes no sense. What the Lib Dems are proposing is to actually put MORE people into this non-tax bracket by extending the personal allowance up to 10k. So those people who currently earn 5-10k a year and pay tax won't pay any! This will be paid for by extra taxation of incomes over £40k. In my book, that's redistributive as they claim. I think we've had more than enough fannying around with tax credits and blah blah blah. The system is creakingly complicated and needs actual reform rather than more additional complexities.



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