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| mrln999 | Sep 6 2011, 12:12 PM Post #1 |
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Spread the word to the movement at large... Crypt Kicker's are NOT, I repeat NOT with us against San Fran. They In fact are, by their own words, Indies! They own the Vortex club and have such close ties to the Cam in SF that they are going to make their club the new Cam Elysium in town... OUR TOWN! They claim turf in Vallejo but aren't Anarch! They put one of their own up to try for Baronship at the meet but aren't Anarch! Their number two does coke off hooker asses with court officials in SF and they are a danger to the movement here and now! I call on all my fellow Anarchs to rise up and inform Hugo, Stacy, and the rest of our guests that they are no longer welcome to live within out boarders, and that they can take their Camarilla buddies with 'em! Rise and Be Heard! - D Edited by mrln999, Sep 6 2011, 12:15 PM.
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"Business, Power, Family... Revolution." Dillan March Fixers Regional President & Head of Public Relations Baron of Oakland Cork Board handle: The_Candy_Man | |
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| Jacob | Sep 6 2011, 02:58 PM Post #2 |
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"Yeah Dillan man, most of that isn't true bro. I got to go through the list here... First, they ain't Indie. They all got the rep to prove it. Maybe somebody just pullin your leg or somethin. And yeah they are ALL with us against Frisco, dude. I just asked. Now this part seems to be a fairly common mistake, see there is no such thing as a 'Cam Elysium', just an Elysium. Its for everybody. the Cam don't fuck with it, the Sabbat don't fuck with it, and we ain't supposed to fuck with it. The fact that it is in our town means that we got a place that the Cam can't destroy, thereby protecting us. Thats a damn smart move if you ask me. And man, I have done coke off a hookers ass with court members from SF before, TWICE. Comes down to this. Hugo, Quinn, Uriel, Suriel, Trent and Shatter are ALL welcome in Woodland, Lodi, Dixon and Stocton any God damn time. If The other two gangs in Vallejo, or anybody else got beef, you solve it and quick. The Crypt Kickers be down for the cause, no more and no less than the Armory, and no more or less than the Fixers. Whatever Nosferatu been selling you info bro, got you with bum words this time, but thats cool, it happens to everybody. |
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| mrln999 | Sep 6 2011, 03:57 PM Post #3 |
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Ex-fuckin-Scuse me!? Thats cool that the Crypt Kickers are willing to join up and all but as of yesterday when Me, Ivan, Barry, William, and John all went down to the Vortex to have a little chat with Hugo & Quinn... strait outta Hugo's mouth "I'm not even an Anarch, I'm Independent" Plain as fuckin' day! Check YOUR facts home boy cause I know what I heard and I even asked him to clerify the statment after he made it!! As for "Elysium"... fuck that too! The place is only a safe haven if everyone agrees that it is and decides not to fuck with it, and if the Cam has proven good for anything in the past its Hollow words and betrayal! Same goes for the Sabbat, who btw probably don't give two shits about their ancient blood enemie's "Sacred Ground" other than when it suits them to do so, so they can embarras the Cam... All this will be is a guaranteed foot hold in our turf that all the ass holes who want us as plant futilizer can use and we can't touch 'em if we stick to our word... and as Anarchs that's all we got is our word! Mark my words NO ELYSIUM, it's the beginning of the end! Some shit needs to get made crystal with a quickness! -D |
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| Jacob | Sep 6 2011, 05:40 PM Post #4 |
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"Ok Dillan, ask anybody, Hugo's got more rep for the cause than you and I combined. I don't care what he told you, I care where he stands, and that is on our side. Thats what matters. Elysium. Is. Sacred. The Cam don't fuck with it, or Cammies box them. The Sabbat don't fuck with it, or the Sabbat box them. The Anarchs dont fuck with it, or me and a small army of others, will put them in a God damn closet if not a small pile of dust. You fuck with an Elysium, and you go away. Your not an idiot Dillan, and I like you. The Fixers are pretty much on their shit all the time. But I will step up to the next motherfucker who throws a molotov through a window of an Elysium, and I will put them, and anybody with them, in the ground. Dont take the Fixers down with you because of a stupid mistake and a misunderstanding. Things are not the way that you are currently seeing them, friend. Thankfully I know you are smart enough to know when to take a step back and look again, instead of starting something that ends you. Prove me right." |
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| John Doe | Sep 6 2011, 06:46 PM Post #5 |
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| mrln999 | Sep 6 2011, 06:58 PM Post #6 |
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Let me tell you what I see Jacob... A dead Baron at the hands of the SF Cam and a Gangrel that just happens to be in a position of influence on both sides of the board, perfect for manipulating the outcome for, against, or even prolonging the fighting for maximum profit... and all from the safety of their turf that you seem just too happy to conveniently declare safe haven for all. Sounds like a sweet set up for them and a really weak position to deal from for the rest of us. (also WTF "Next person to throw a Molotov?") Your clearly homies with the Crypt Kickers and I hope for their sake and yours that your right about them. You have my respect Jacob, and as a sign of that respect I'm done talking about this other than to say that I'm not trusting anyone tied that closely to SF right now... not unless they are willing to publicly admit they wear the big circled A like the rest of us... all the rep in the world doesn't mean dick if you can't live up to it and keep living up to it. -D |
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| Intheshadows | Sep 6 2011, 06:59 PM Post #7 |
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Jacob. Though some of what you say is true it is actually quite common for Elysiums to be targeted by other Kindred. Throughout history it happens all the time. The Sabbat love to do it but if you don't even want to compare actions to that hated group. The Anarchs targeted Elysiums all the time in the war against the Camerilla. In fact, one of our most esteemed generals, Smiling Jack, Is famous for burning Elysiums to the ground. As a person that has lived among the Camerilla for some time as well I can tell you that their reverence for the hollowed grounds of Elysium is hazy at best. A lot of blood is split by the Cams on Elysium ground trust me. But that is nether hear nor there. What is more important is that Hugo did state in front of us that he was not even a member of the Movement, that he was an independent. Now I know I don't want someone claiming to be saying such things wanting to be Barron or claiming territory. Also everyone knows my Politics with the Camerilla. I make no secret of that fact that I am a former member and that I still have strong ties with them. But all those ties ended with San Fransisco when they murdered our Barron. Even if it is the Justicars who actually made the call they have out and out started a war with us. I will burn all my bridges with the Cam to defend the Anarchs. Out of Stacy's own mouth he is still buddy buddy with them after what they did and has no want to change that fact. I don't know about everyone else in the movement but I say it is time to load up for war. It is time to show S.F. why you don't break the treaty of thorns. And if that means, just like Anarchs before us who won us this independence that you all now enjoy, that we have to kick over some Elysiums, then so be it. |
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| Jacob | Sep 6 2011, 07:51 PM Post #8 |
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"Ok, well lets put it like this. I'm pretty sure everybody agrees 'Fuck the Cammies in Frisco'. They want a war and we are bringing it to them. Sacramento doesn't want to touch this, so we let them for now. Smiling Jack plays a good game, and he has my reverence, but we can't expect them to respect Elysiums if we don't, so we will. When it comes to Hugo, this is how I feel. Titles and labels are less important than actions and deeds. And if you, or anybody, wants to make a claim to Hugo's territory, you go take it up with him. What difference does it make if the Vortex is an Elysium or not? If you don't respect them, than it wont make a difference. If you do, there wont be a problem. If you do and they don't, than you and I will go kick their heads in. Now you might notice that my position has changed a little bit, and thats a fact. I agree with a little of what Ivan has said, and a little of what Dillan has. Thats because my mind was swayed when I saw the logic of others. Who wants to join me in being an adult, in a discussion, instead of a petulant kid in a fight? |
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| Intheshadows | Sep 6 2011, 08:28 PM Post #9 |
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If you want to respect Elysiums Jacob you can. I would never condone any member of the movement just mindlessly attacking anything the Camerilla owns. It makes us look bad and weakens our position with the Camerilla which when they are playing by the rules I think can be a powerful ally. But don't think that the Elysiums are anything more than a tool of the elders to keep people in line. The Elysium is a lie. Perhaps once long ago it meant something but right now cam princes use it to control you and anyone else by giving this false sense of protection. I have seen it broken far to many times by the princes and those under their command to believe it anymore. If you are lucky a prince might state that it is not Elysium for the next few minutes before he kills you in some show that the tradition means anything anymore to them. But that is rare. You would do well to remember that Jacob. As for an Elysium here? If you want to protect a location say so. If I want to set up a place where people can feel safe I will do so and I have tried to in the past. But I don't need it to be an Elysium to do so. If you think that a dressed up title on the building is going to keep the anarchs who want to fight in line that have been fighting in every other meeting location we have set up, then I think you will be surprised. And if you are putting out the threat of death upon those who use supernatural powers on Elysium grounds or bring harm to others then you might as well just make us the Camerilla. I would rather have freedom. |
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| Jacob | Sep 6 2011, 08:45 PM Post #10 |
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"Well here is the thing Ivan. I have certain beliefs. Those beliefs include that Elysiums stand for something. Now you say that the Cam doesn't respect Elysiums and I agree with you. But I do. And if that makes me better than those of the Camarilla well I wont argue with you. If you want to sink to their level you go ahead, but you be aware where I stand before you do. I don't fight wars where 'anything goes'. I don't murder children. I don't Diablarize. I respect surrender. I respect Elysiums. You have the right to feel different on any of those points. If I see you doing it, then I will kill you. And make no mistake Ivan, you might kill me, but I will definitely kill you. So instead of unnecessarily weakening the Movement, how about we just respect each others differences and not fuck with Elysiums when there is really no point and no gain? That way we can happily stand next to each other while gunning down Frisco Cammie fuck-heads." |
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