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Torche's n' Pitchforks
Topic Started: Sep 6 2011, 12:12 PM (1,226 Views)
Jack Garner
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Heres my opinion, Having a place the enemy MAY respect as safe ground is better than no place. An independant who says he will fight ANY cam that try to mess with his terf and will help us protect ours if we ask his aid (yes I did talk to him about it.) Is an ally. Making more enemies is the last thing we need. Elysium is the only place we are gonna hash this out after the bullets are done flying and the cammies in SF are dead at our feet.
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Intheshadows
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I will continue to defend the members of the movement and you will continue to threaten the unlives of those who do not wish to bend to your will. I do not weaken the movement. I wish to make it stronger. If that means that I will die doing so then so be it.

We can defeat San Fransisco if we work together towards this goal.
'Tis now the very witching time of night,
When churchyards yawn and hell itself breathes out
Contagion to this world.
~William Shakespeare
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Mr. Williams
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I only have one question and take it as you will. How can u show respect for something of theres when they JUST showed us zero respect and killed a member of the movement
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John Doe
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My main problem with this Elysium being set up is not that it is Anarch territory, it's not that it is generally a tactic of elders to control neonates it is the fact that Stacy was told to set it up by the god damn Cam. If the cam wants neutral turf to talk to us on lets have the god damn thing be on neutral turf and not in one of our towns. I dont want some smug San Fran douche bag, who is at war with us, sitting in one of our towns under protection of an Elysium. You dig?
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Intheshadows
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Mr. Williams. I do believe that what Jacob is trying to say is that Elysium is not a Camerilla tradition but a Kindred tradition. And that is true. My history is a bit hazy but I do believe that the Elysium dates back a lot longer than the Camerilla.

John, Stacy did not get asked to make it an Elysium by the Camerilla. He is just making it for the Camerilla of his own choice. If he literally was ordered by the Camerilla I would have a much bigger problem as that would show he is clearly a Camerilla member. Unless I am wrong about that. If I am I am sorry and I think we have something else to talk about.
'Tis now the very witching time of night,
When churchyards yawn and hell itself breathes out
Contagion to this world.
~William Shakespeare
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Mr. Williams
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ah then I retract my question
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John Doe
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I was a bit on edge at the time so my memory could be off. So correct me if i am wrong Stacy. I heard you say that your camarilla friends suggested that you make an Elysium and that's why you are turning The Vortex into one.
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Gemini
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Um... So... Question. Is it not possible that the dumbass Cammies are only making an Elysium so that they can lead us into a trap or something? Like... SAY it's an Elysium, but not actually view it as one? I don't really know how that works, but I do know that Elysium isn't always safe... Heck, I've been attacked on Elyisum before for nothing more than stating my own opinion!

Just saying, it could be a trap. The Cam-els are all smart like that.
What is chaos but a lack of conformity? Rules only exist because people are scared of freedom. Don't complain if you're not willing to reach out.... And TAKE it.
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Jacob
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"What I don't understand is how you, Ivan, can say 'down with Elysium' but still claim to be the 'Anarch rep to the Cam'. You were cooler when your words were garbled by the Cam dick, and we couldn't hear you. You have some good ideas, good vision, but you express no honor. THAT is how I can say 'respect Elysium' when they don't. Cause I have honor for the shit that makes sense that the Cam takes credit for but really came before. I have honor. You used to too."
Jacob
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Damn the Man, save the Empire!
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Intheshadows
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What happened to that Adult conversation Jacob. I was just having a discusion about what I have seen in the past. You don't see me attacking any Elysiums do you? No. I am a deplomat, Which means that I repect the customs of the Camerilla.

I think you are miss understanding what I am saying. I would rather just bring the fear of the movement to the San Fransisco Camerilla than out and out distroy them all. Revenge should be had but that doesn't mean we have to burn down their Elysiums. I would be happy if they want to sit in them and never leave for the next few months for fear of their unlives the moment they leave their small holes.

We can't win a long term war and try and hold S.F. We just need to remind them of why they shouldn't try us again.

As for an Elysium here Jacob. If you want to build one, fine. You can call it what you want and enforce the rules in it how you want as it will be yours and you are a free member of the movement.
'Tis now the very witching time of night,
When churchyards yawn and hell itself breathes out
Contagion to this world.
~William Shakespeare
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