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| Shane McCay | Sep 7 2011, 10:09 AM Post #21 |
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Does anyone else think that maybe this is what the Camarilla wants from us? Did anyone stop to think that what they do is manipulate and twist situations to their advantage and then slide in and whack whoever they want? While we fight and bicker like children, the Cam may very well be sitting there, watching us with their sewer spies, as we begin to turn on each other. This isn't the right way to go about this and honestly, it's not the way we are going to avoid this war. Let the Cam try and reign down on us with their words about their traditions and how we are unruly...yeah, last I checked, that's why I'm fucking Anarch. I refuse to be ruled by the Seven Rules of the Camarilla and I refuse to not stand for anything but distruction like the Sabbat. Listen, is Hugo and his friends are Independents, then they are Indis. From that I recall of Indies, the only people they look out for are those they care about. Now unless someone can bring solid evidence of the fact that they were asked to set up Vortex as the Big E for the Cam, I think we need to stop making assumptions. They tend to make an ass out of you and me if it turns out to be wrong. Let's do a little fact checking to see if this is true or not and then we can bring it to them and talk it out. Baron, My name is Shane McCay and I'm new around here but something tells me all this arguing is wrong. It's the wrong way to approach the sitaution and I am going to assume you can see the weight of my words when I speak on the manipulative nature of the Cam. A Diplomatic solution may not be the card people want to play but I believe it to be the best solution to get the Cam off the backs of the local Anarchs. I was not present when they killed our former Baron and if I was there, maybe I could undestand everyone's anger better but not sinking to their level may prove to them that we are not what they believe we are. If they are building an Elysium, there is a chance it could be a trap like Kieran says. However, if the court of San Francisco is ready to sit there and betray the power of the Elysium, I'm sure their actions will not go unseen. Though this may not provide comfort to anyone that the Cam will punish those who disrespect tradtions, it's all we have to go on right now. Diplomancy can be as powerful as a punch to the face...you just need to flavor it right. |
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| Gemini | Sep 7 2011, 10:20 AM Post #22 |
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Oooh, somebody fuckin' listended to me... AND they have a point! Squabbling like kids is really stupid. I'm new, and I apologize for buttin' in because I don't know you people... But the Anarchs splitting up and fighting each other isn't going to help us fight the Cammies. |
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What is chaos but a lack of conformity? Rules only exist because people are scared of freedom. Don't complain if you're not willing to reach out.... And TAKE it. | |
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| CaVeMaN916 | Sep 7 2011, 01:11 PM Post #23 |
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This is BULLSHIT!!! Why the fuck are we letting the people who we are at war with and that openly just killed our baron put up a fucking building in our own city. I dont care if you say they are going to respect it because they aren't, they are going to use it against us every way they can. They are just trying to worm themselves into the city so they can slowly take it over like the bitch ass elders they pretend to be. They are just using the Independants to get a foot hold and then we'll never be able to frre ourselves from their enslavement. (OOC: Burn Anarch Lore for the rep of the crypt kickers gang) |
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| Josef | Sep 7 2011, 05:39 PM Post #24 |
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(OOC: Are people in the same location or are they all over text, phone calls etc) |
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| Astrid | Sep 7 2011, 05:46 PM Post #25 |
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I have knowledge, to answer some questions on Elysium, it was there BEFORE the cam was formed the sabbat was formed and before the anarchs were formed. An off that topic, Shane is right, stop arguing about this. We are adults act like it, the cam wants us to argue, its a tactic they use. Considering they know that if we fight each other instead of coming together we will accomplish nothing and Christoff would have died for NOTHING. So lets cool our jets and throw out ideas on how to take down SF. |
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| Gemini | Sep 7 2011, 06:53 PM Post #26 |
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Here, here! Fight the Cam-els, not each other!!! |
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| Intheshadows | Sep 7 2011, 07:57 PM Post #27 |
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I see no problem with having a discussion about any subject. Ranting is what we do as Anarchs. To me, it is times like this that we should have these talks. To flesh out what it truly means to be part of the movement. Have you no love in your heart for anything but battle? Tomorrow we may die. Right now though we can as a group come together and discuss things far older and more important than our unlives. |
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'Tis now the very witching time of night, When churchyards yawn and hell itself breathes out Contagion to this world. ~William Shakespeare | |
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| Gemini | Sep 8 2011, 12:53 AM Post #28 |
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The Cam want us to fight, squabble, and be dicks to each other. As far as Indies go... Why does that even really matter? If they're on our side, isn't that enough? I mean, if they're not... then they're lame. But an independent on our side is still someone who can help us fight for the cause. You think they don't want freedom from the Cammies, too? Honestly, we're fucking Anarchs. Why the hell are we squabbling and playing status cards, anyway? Aren't we supposed to be passionate in our ideals? Why do we have to stoop to fighting and wars? We're Anarchs because we don't like the stuck-up dick politics the Cam plays with, so why do we have to wave our status dicks around and abuse power and shit? That's not what we're for. An Elysium.... it could be awesome, if the Cam upholds to it. It could also be shitty, because unlike them, we generally don't go back on our word.... and they're a bunch of hypocritical bastards who could honestly care less. I think we should calm down, stop fighting, and try and reach a compromise. Seriously.... it's better to work together for the cause then fight each other against it. Then again, I can totally understand you guys going, "This kid is new, we should fucking ignore his cute little butt." I did just get here, after all. Edited by Gemini, Sep 8 2011, 12:54 AM.
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| Jacob | Sep 8 2011, 01:37 AM Post #29 |
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"Ok, so first of all Shane, don't call me Baron. I didn't join the Movement for the titles. Ivan, you're right. It's not my Elysium, but I will protect it. But that doesn't get in the way of fucking up Frisco. The Anarch Movement doesn't have an accounting. If you prove yourself committed than I don't care what you call yourself. That's the fucking point of the whole thing. Your free. The reason why we squabble and argue is so we get on the same page. So we aren't in the middle of something and have to argue then. We are all passionate about our beliefs and sometimes it gets in the way. If the new Elysium is a trap, than it is up to the Crypt Kickers, whos territory it's in to control and contain that shit. I think there was something else, but I forgot." (OOC: Sean its over text and email and some face to face.) |
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Jacob Gangleader, The Armoury Woodland, Fairfield, Lodi Hack the Planet! Damn the Man, save the Empire! | |
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| Gemini | Sep 8 2011, 01:44 AM Post #30 |
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"It's a lot of fucking chaos, is all... And believe me, I fucking KNOW chaos. In any case, I'm done with this argument. I got other things to worry about, like finding a gang and a decent apartment. Your advice about hotel rooms worked, but I can't stay in one of those forever. Peace out!" |
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