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Torche's n' Pitchforks
Topic Started: Sep 6 2011, 12:12 PM (1,224 Views)
Intheshadows
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I am honestly surprised at some of the comments here. This is what being an anarch is all about. I hold no ill will against Jacob for his posistion. Hell I respect him for it. Even if we don't aggree on the subject it doesn't change that fact.

I know that one day we may be ready to shead blood over our ideals and the next we may be back to back fighting off the enemies of the movement whether they be Camerilla or Sabbat. That is what being an Anarch is all about.

I find it sad that some of you find this to be pointless bickering and that we have better things to do when this could be the most important thing we do. There is no status here, no princes lording over us demanding we toute some line. We are free to argue, fight and defend what we feel is right.
Edited by Intheshadows, Sep 8 2011, 03:11 PM.
'Tis now the very witching time of night,
When churchyards yawn and hell itself breathes out
Contagion to this world.
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Shane McCay
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For my part Ivan, that is not what I am trying to say. Yes, you are free to debate and bicker as much as you want but right now, I think talking with clear heads is better than arguing. You can do whatever the fuck you like but if we want to be an effective group of anarchs, we might want to think before acting or, far worse, reacting. We have so many who want to take this fight to Cam with their fists but that will only give them provication to come back at us with their Elders and their numbers. From what I have seen, there aren't that many anarchs in the area (though I will admit i'm new here so I haven't met everyone).

I do not question your loyalty to this massive movement that you and I and everyone else are a part of. All I ask is that we take the time to think about the situation in a way in which it will benefit us with the least amount of bloodshead. I personally have already met a few people here in this city that I would want to protect but if we are protect ourselves from more death in this city, we need to make a plan.

Jacob, I don't believe that anyone joined the movement for the titles and if they did, then they need to reevaluate their reasons for being here. However, out of respect for the power that you hold (which you must if you have obtained enough backing to be the Baron), I will continue to address you as such until the time in which you either step down as Baron or you are removed some other way. I will do all I can to help protect the territory of both Davis and Vallejo and I pray that when we have this issue with the Camarilla successfully settled, you will be able to watch over Vallejo like the former Baron did before.

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Jacob
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"Ivan, I agree 90%, only because I can't bring myself to agree 100% with you. Shane, than why dont you only use that title when I am doing something Barony in the Barony. Also, I get the gist that you ain't down to return the favor to SF. That so?"
Edited by Jacob, Sep 8 2011, 05:15 PM.
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Intheshadows
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From what I have seen in the San Fransisco Court. We actually out number them. But they always have the advantage of age. But don't forget that there is a reason that the mighty Camerilla stooped to such a level to actually make the treaty of thorns with what they thought of as the rabble and low clans. Numbers mean a lot.

The treaty has been broken. When that happens over whelming response is required or they will keep on walking all over us. I plan to send out a message to LA and any other nearby Anarch cities to tell them that the thorn is broken. They will come.
'Tis now the very witching time of night,
When churchyards yawn and hell itself breathes out
Contagion to this world.
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"I approve."
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Shane McCay
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Jacob, I can agree to that with you. As for your question, it's not that I do not want to strike back against SF for what they have done but I feel a full frontal assault might not be our best option. Looking at this from a way to toss back in their faces what they have done to us might be better than attacking them outright. We should turn their game against them and strike back at the right moment. Strategy over force.

Ivan, I didn't know that a large city like SF would have such a small population of people. I do like the idea of getting more of our brothers and sister together but I will continue to say the should do something more strategic rather than forceful. I feel we would prove more to them by striking back in a strategic manner rather than going full force against them.

My opinion doesn't seem to always be popular but I feel it might be the best way to save more lives then lose them.
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Shane,

What you are saying isn't foolish but you are giving little specfics on how we should throw it back in their face or what strategy we should be using. I have seen all to many times the detrement to a good plan is actually over planing or not doing anything because we have no planed enough.

So I ask you. Our Barron has been killed and San Fransisco has broken the treaty of thorns. How would you respond?

Don't miss understand this. I am not putting you on the spot or saying you are wrong. I am interested in what your idea is.
'Tis now the very witching time of night,
When churchyards yawn and hell itself breathes out
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"Just so long as you don't give me some meaningless shit we can't work with, like "Don't worry, I've got it handled". Lets hear your ideas."
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Jacob, the last thing I would do here is say that. I barely remember enough of my past to have an opinion about this, let alone say I got it covered. I need about as much help with this plan to make it work as anyone else.

Ivan, what so we know about the Camarilla? They have the 6 (+1) Traditions that they follow like the letter of the law. From what I know, most of the members can have mad amounts of influence and some of them may just be famous enough to pull stuff off in the same night. They think highly of themselves, putting themselves on a pedestal above all the rest of us. They look down on us because we do not feel like playing their political game. They would sooner have us join them to take down the Sabbat and then stab us while we are wounded. They are snakes in the grass and from what I last remembered, they are as slimy as them.

Before I can give you any sort of plan, I would need to know the details of the situation. Who was the actual one to do the crime? Why did they claim to do it? What were the charges? Did they come in and reign down on us in packs or did they lure us to a location and take out our last Baron? Once I have this information, I might be able to come up with a better plan.

My mind is telling me that these guys are expecting us to come back at them in force. They are expecting a war with the Anarchs so they can have a reason to kill us. The Thorn may be broken but that doesn’t mean full out war should be our first battlefield.


((OoC: Can I get someone to link the Treaty so Julian isn't saying things Shane wouldn't. Is it somewhere on the site where we can read it? Should it be?))
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((Julian what is your email, I will send you the Anarch pdf where it is written.))
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