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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 10 2014, 06:31 PM (441 Views) | |
| newbloodmoon | Apr 10 2014, 06:31 PM Post #1 |
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Mr. Sardonticus
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There is a rancher in necada near the boarder of Utah who is being harrassed by the federal government. This rancher Calvin Bundy is having his cattle taken away to save tortisas. These same tortisas were slated to be killed. Agents with the BLM, and other alphabet soup chronies have helicopters, sniper rifles, m-raps to move him off his land. Unfortinately any information on the subkect is slow in coming due to the fact that abc, nbc, and cbs are not covering it. Blogs and twitter accounts are on it. Apparently minute men and malitias are going in armed to fight off our federal pretend government. If anyone who has the time to look into this and post more information it woild be appreciated. I have very limited internet access and don,t have the time or ability to do an in depth report on this story. More can be found at Ground Zero by clyde lewis. Edited by newbloodmoon, Apr 10 2014, 06:40 PM.
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| Maxie | Apr 11 2014, 12:26 AM Post #2 |
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I found a video about it, nbm:Youtube more on the blaze:theblaze It's just me, but I don't understand why BLM needs armed agents at all. Federal, state, and local "law enforcement" act more like the Nazis every day. |
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| newbloodmoon | Apr 11 2014, 06:11 PM Post #3 |
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Mr. Sardonticus
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Thanks max for doing that. I just think people need to be aware of these little things going on in our own country. |
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I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. Voltaire ![]() | |
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| Maxie | Apr 13 2014, 11:55 AM Post #4 |
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No prob, nbm. There are some disturbing things going on. |
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| Maxie | Apr 15 2014, 12:35 AM Post #5 |
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RENO, Nev. (AP) - A Nevada rancher said Monday he's trying to determine if federal agents damaged his cattle when the animals were rounded up then released in a showdown with angry protesters over a decades-long dispute about rangeland rights. U.S. Bureau of Land Management Director Neil Kornze said the agency backed off to avoid a potentially violent situation over the weekend. However, he vowed to go to court to collect more than $1 million in back grazing fees he says Cliven Bundy owes for trespassing on federal lands since the 1990s. Bundy, whose family has operated a ranch since the 1870s southwest of Mesquite a few miles from the Utah line, does not recognize federal authority on the land that he insists belongs to Nevada. On Saturday, the bureau released about 400 head of cattle it had seized from Bundy. The operation had been expected to take a month to collect as many as 900 cattle. The animals were freed after armed militia members joined hundreds of states' rights protesters at corrals outside Mesquite. Bundy said they were united in defense of their constitutional rights. "They have faith in the Constitution," he told KDWN-AM in Las Vegas on Monday. "The founding fathers didn't create a government like this." The BLM's National Wild Horse and Burro Advisory Board was meeting in Sacramento on Monday on the broader issue fueling the conflict over how to divide the scarce forage on mostly dry lands across the West between livestock, wild horses and wildlife. Wild-horse protection advocates say the government is rounding up too many mustangs while allowing sheep and cattle to feed at taxpayer expense on the same rangeland scientists say is being overgrazed. Ranchers say the government refuses to gather enough horses in the herds that double in size every five years. Advocates on both sides accused the board of not addressing their concerns. "Americans want wild horses on our public lands," said wild horse advocate Bonnie Kohleriter. "You cattlemen and wildlife people are special interest groups. ... You need to stop attacking the wild horses, attempting to diminish their numbers, and make resources available to them." Debra Hawk, a biologist representing the Wildlife Society, said the BLM's failure to cut the number of wild horses is harming other species that rely on the land. She criticized the agency for indicating it may not continue the horse roundups, saying the BLM should "utilize all methods available" to cut the population. "Not conducting roundups will result in further degradation of native ranges, harming native wildlife and plants," and is better for the health of native horses, she said. Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore said she spent much of the past week with the Bundy family and helped feed some of the calves that were returned over the weekend. "It's going to take a lot to revive the calves that were nearly dead when they were returned to the Bundy Ranch because they had been separated from their mothers during the roundup, and a few most likely won't make it," said Fiore, a Republican from Las Vegas. "It's time for Nevada to stand up to the federal government and demand the return of the BLM lands to the people of Nevada." Horse protection advocates and other critics of livestock grazing on federal land said the government's suspension of the roundup sends the wrong signal to law-abiding ranchers who secure the necessary grazing permits to use the land. The BLM "is allowing a freeloading rancher and armed thugs to seize hundreds of thousands of acres of the people's land as their own," said Rob Mrowka, a senior scientist for the Center for Biological Diversity. "It's backing down in the face of threats and posturing of armed sovereignists." BLM spokesman Craig Leff said the agency will work to resolve the matter "administratively and judicially" but planned no further public comment on Bundy's case. "The gather is over," he said in an email. In 1998, BLM secured the first of a series of court orders that found Bundy's cattle in trespass, rejecting his argument the land in an area known as Gold Butte belonged to the state. BLM filed a new complaint in U.S. court in Las Vegas in May 2012 seeking an injunction to prevent what it called Bundy's continued trespassing, and Judge Lloyd George issued another order last July authorizing the agency to impound the cattle. YahooNews Looks like it's over for now. Whilst I think the Feds are *way* to militarized, something about this rancher is making my BS Detector go off. If he's not paying his fees, if he's shooting wild horses - well, that sounds like a not-so-good-guy to me. I'm going to keep digging. It's possible that there are *no* good guys here. |
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| Maxie | Apr 18 2014, 04:47 AM Post #6 |
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Take a look at this, Everypony:April 16, 2014 | The situation with Cliven Bundy of Nevada should be a no-brainer for people from both the left and the right. Bundy has been stealing from the taxpayers for years, illegally grazing his cattle on federal lands while refusing to pay for the privilege. Both liberals and conservatives pay taxes, so such blatant theft should outrage everyone equally. Indeed, conservative media claims to take theft from taxpayers very seriously, with Fox News spending so much time on the miniscule problem of food stamp cheats that the number of minutes spent on it has likely long ago exceeded the number of pennies lost to this non-problem. Bundy has stolen far more than any hypothetical food stamp cheat ever did, but when the government tried to show up and take what was theirs, he met them with armed resistance, pushing him from the "ordinary fraud" category to the "violent criminal" column. And yet, for some reason, Bundy's outrageous theft of services from the taxpayers is not being taken seriously by the right-wing press. As Roy Edroso of Village Voice and Eric Boehlert of Media Matters have chronicled, the conservative response to the whole incident has ranged from minimizing the seriousness of the crime to outright cheering Bundy on in his efforts to use the threat of violence to continue stealing from the taxpayers. It's tempting to write this reaction off as a matter of idiocy married to identity politics. Bundy is a white guy in a cowboy hat wielding guns, which reads as "one of us" to many on the right, so they refuse to accept that he's a bad guy no matter how much he threatens violence against federal officers simply for enforcing a law that applies to everyone. And no doubt that is part of what's going on here. But really, what's going on runs deeper than a knee-jerk desire on the part of the right to believe every white guy in a cowboy hat is a good guy. This is the logical extension of a push that's grown in recent years from conservatives to argue that they, and only they, have special rights to simply disregard any law they don't want to follow. And unfortunately that's an argument that may be making headway this year in the Supreme Court. The past couple of years have seen a surge in conservatives demanding special rights to disobey universally applicable federal laws on the grounds that they don’t believe in them. This argument has largely been treated favorably by right-wing media that would definitely not extend that courtesy to anyone else. The Hobby Lobby case is simply the most prominent. To recap, Hobby Lobby is arguing before the Supreme Court that because they don’t believe certain forms of contraception are allowed by their god, they shouldn’t be required to meet federal minimum standards requiring that contraception for healthcare plans offered to employees as part of their compensation package, even if the employees don’t believe in a birth control-hating god. It's alarming to think that Hobby Lobby is arguing that anyone should be able to ignore any law they want just by stating they don't "believe" in it, but reading between the lines of their lawyer Paul Clemente's arguments before the Supreme Court, it's clear they think this right to exempt yourself from federal regulations should be exclusive to Christian conservatives. When Justices Kagan and Sotomayor pressed Clemente to explain how being able to opt out of the contraception mandate wouldn’t lead to being able to opt out of offering insurance that covers vaccines or blood transfusions, Clemente waved their concerns off, saying that contraception was "so religiously sensitive, so fraught with religious controversy" in a way those other things aren’t. But, of course, there are religious groups that do think vaccines or blood transfusions are just as "fraught" as contraception, if not more so. The only difference is those groups don’t have the backing of the Christian right. Even without stating so explicitly, therefore, Clemente's arguments rested on the assumption that the opt-out opportunities he’s pushing for would be for Christian conservatives and only them. The rest of you can go hang. Similar logic was in play with the push in various states to pass laws giving rights to businesses to discriminate against customers or employees on the basis of gender or sexual orientation, as long as they ascribed their desire to do so on the grounds of "sincere religious belief." Being allowed a special exemption to universally applicable laws doesn't get any more blatant than that. There wasn't even an attempt at propping up the illusion of fairness by, say, allowing gay or female business owners to discriminate against religious bigots. Being a religious conservatives was the only way to be eligible for this special privilege of treating customers and employees like dirt if you want to. While that spate of bills was defeated after public outcry, the narrative that conservatives have a special right-privilege, really-that no one else should have to defy any laws they happen not to like had rooted itself into right-wing media, which enthusiastically championed the idea that conservatives should be able to opt out of all sorts of laws as long as they wielded "religious belief" as an excuse. Cliven Bundy doesn't use religion as his excuse, but he still insists that since he doesn't believe in the "United States government as even existing," then he shouldn't have to follow its laws. It's a logical extension of the anti-gay and anti-contraception "opt out" arguments, rooted as it is in a belief that conservatives have a unique claim to simply reject any laws they don't want to follow, even as they, like Bundy, take advantage of the amenities of citizenship. No wonder conservative media is so warm to the guy. To be clear, none of these actions should be confused with civil disobedience, though some have tried. Civil disobedience is about changing unjust laws, not trying to get a special exception from the law for you and people like you. The only reason right-wing media is giving sympathetic coverage to Bundy is that he's identifiable as a conservative and therefore his desire to make money off the backs of taxpayers without paying his fair share gets sympathetic treatment. But if he was black or female and got away with even a dollar more food stamps than he was owed, he would be treated like public enemy #1 by Fox News. Being able to shrug off laws you don't like is a privilege reserved for the few in the world of conservative media. Alternet There *is* more than one side to this story. Maybe Bundy *isn't* a new Thomas Jefferson. Maybe Bundy is just another 1%-er who gets rich on the backs of taxpayers who weren't fortunate enough to have been born privileged. Maybe *I* should found a new religion. I'm white and male. Maybe *I'll* be allowed to ignore laws I don't believe in, too. |
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| Maxie | Apr 23 2014, 02:54 AM Post #7 |
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OK, Senator Harry Reid called the citizens that showed up to help Bundy "Domestic Terrorist wannabes". I've made it clear that I don't think much of Bundy, but I will be damned if I stand by to hear these moral imbeciles and traitors in Congress speak about citizens that way! Obama acts like a King, and the Senate, Congress and LEOs act like Dukes, Barons, and robber Knights. WE are *not* subjects. They are *not* vassal lords. There is only one coin that will pay for Treason. |
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| Maxie | Apr 25 2014, 02:57 AM Post #8 |
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RACIST REMARKS During a small gathering last Saturday at his ranch, Bundy, in remarks quoted by The New York Times and captured on video footage posted online, shared his views on race, which he said were informed in part by a drive he had taken past a public housing project in the city of North Las Vegas. "I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro," Bundy began, as he recounted seeing a group of "older people and kids" sitting idle in an open doorway of the building. "They didn't have nothing to do. They didn't have nothing for their kids to do. They didn't have nothing for their young girls to do," he said. "And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?" he asked. "They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I've often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn't get no more freedom. They got less freedom." Supporters were quick to defend Bundy on a Facebook site managed by his family on Thursday. One post on the page, which showed more than 89,700 backers, dismissed the Times' account as "new rumors," suggesting Bundy's comments had been distorted. "Cliven is a good man, he loves all people, he is not a racist man. He wants what is best for everyone," the post said. Republican Nevada state Assemblywoman Michele Fiore, who has visited the Bundy ranch in support of his cause, said in a separate statement: "I strongly disagree with Cliven Bundy's comments about slavery." But she reiterated her criticism of what she called BLM "atrocities." Bundy himself stood by his remarks in a guest appearance on the "Peter Schiff Show" radio program, and repeated his views. "That's exactly what I said," he replied when asked about his comments concerning blacks. "I'm wondering, 'Are they happier now under this government subsidy system than they were when they were slaves, and they was able to have their family structure together, and the chickens and garden, and the people had something to do?' ... I am wondering." His son, Ammon Bundy, told Reuters by telephone on Thursday that he believes his father's plain, unsophisticated way of speaking left him misunderstood. "He's a rancher. He's not a professional speaker. ... His vocabulary is a rancher's vocabulary," the son said. Asked on CNN about Hannity's characterization of his remarks as ignorant and racist, the elder Bundy said, "Well, I hope I'm not that way." ~snipped from:SOURCE:yahoonews On one side, 1% percenters and racists, on the other side, politicians, liars, and traitors (I'm being redundant). |
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| She-ra | Apr 26 2014, 06:20 AM Post #9 |
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This wholeeeeeeeeeeee thing is beyond fooked up to me. I have had a hard time following it (it wasn't reported on too much until the other week over here) then I couldn't figure out who the bad guy was....then it was all about money (I think) - fee's and then a senator wanted to sell the land or profit somehow. To be honest I can't be arsed with getting all the details correct right now because my spidey senses are calling out BOTH sides and being bad in some way. So I guess I shouldn't even respond here. But I'm going to anyways...just to show my state of confusion and also that I'm not sure I *really* want to know. I was worried we were going to fall into another revolution at one point. *le sigh* I don't have the energy or time to get into the guts of this story. *shakes head at people in general* SIGH!!!!!! |
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| She-ra | Apr 26 2014, 06:23 AM Post #10 |
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^ THAT was probably the worse replay I have ever made in a thread!!! Hahaha!! I'm not going to delete it though because it shows my utter confusion over the whole thing. We haven't had any news reporting on this for a while now so... if anyone cares to catch me up that would be cool. If not, no worries. |
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| newbloodmoon | Apr 26 2014, 11:13 PM Post #11 |
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Mr. Sardonticus
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Unfortunately Mr. Bundy made a foot in mouth comment about blacks so now everyone is running to the hills. |
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I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. Voltaire ![]() | |
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| Maxie | Apr 27 2014, 02:50 AM Post #12 |
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Seriously, people need to let the hate go. If Everypony wants to make a stand, then *call* your Congresscritters and Senators and *tell* them that *you* will *no longer* stand for treasonous conduct and arrogant statements from our *Elected* representatives. I call and eMail my idiots all the time. I told my (D)Colorado Senator that he is a mental defective. I told my Republican Congressman that I wanted his resignation. I of course am just one crazy dude that calls my Appointed Masters too often. But, if millions of people start telling these morons what's what, who knows what will happen? |
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