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Does the punishment fit the crime?
Topic Started: Jun 13 2006, 12:35 PM (1,337 Views)
Ella
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Joe I said if the student was 18 at the time the affair started, a jail sentence would be a bit harsh. Male or female teacher / student relationship.

I do think the teacher should lose their teaching qualifications though.
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Hmmm I have to disagree.

Legal age or not, the student was still required to be in school under the teachers guidance.

IMO, that is an abuse of the authoritative position of the teacher.

I'd still feel the same if the teacher was a college professor and the student was a young adult. We all know the stories of a young co-ed 'sleeping' her way to an A grade. And it is still an abuse of the power of the educator. And, since the student is an adult and NOT REQUIRED to be at college, whatever he/she may do is their own business. Although I think any educator who would take advantage of a situation like that is morally bankrupt.


Or perhaps it is just a case of 'sour grapes' on my part, since no teacher ever went that way with me.

Well, there was one, but HE wasn't my type. cat.gif
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I still hold the postion if the boy's 18 then the teacher should not go to jail...Lose her job yes..But jail no...If thats going to be the law then it needs to be in all state's not just Texas.....

I think if this goes to the high court's it's going to be over turned..and thats a waste of time and tax payer's money...
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I think you are all missing my point.

If the woman had met the boy in any other situation, then I agree that jail is excessive as long as the boy was of legal age.

BUT, because she was HIS teacher, it constitutes a breach of the pupil-teacher protocols.

At 18, he may be a legal adult, but he was still in the school system.

And what about areas that have a younger 'legal age'?

Would it be permissible for a teacher to date a student if the legal age were 16? 14? how about 12?

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INDIANA                  16     

It is illegal for adults in a supervisory position of a minor aged 16 and 17
to have consensual sex with them.
The crime called "felony child seduction"
, a Class D felony, carries a maximum penalty of three years in prison and a
$10,000 fine.               
                                                                         
                                                                         
KANSAS                  16                 

Kansas law prohibits various sexual scenarios, and has a special category
for sex with a person between 14 and 16. Adults breaching this criminal
sodomy section face harsh penalties, but Kansas lawmakers carved out some
breathing space for youthful miscreants, provided they are 18 or under, and
within four years of age of their consensual partner. Called the "Romeo and
Juliet" law, the provision limits the penalty for teen sex to 15 months in
jail, and does not require the perpetrator to register as a sex offender.
But the "Romeo and Juliet" law only applies to heterosexual teen-agers. Also
it is a felony for school employees to have consensual sexual contact with
students ages 16 or 17, even if it is only french-kissing.


WASHINGTON              16             

It is illegal for any school employee to have consensual sexual contact
with a student between age 16 and high school graduation
, so age 16 does not
apply to school employees.



So it just isn't in Texas that this law applies.
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I think if they had of met in a different situation, it would of been ok for them to have a relationship, but with her being his teacher, thats not right.
personaly i don't think teachers should be able to go out with their students under any circumstances or any age groups, if they discover that they have feelngs for a student and the student feels the same way they should leave it alone until the sudent finishes school,
I feel like i'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.
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I think that any teacher to have a relationship with a student is wrong.
Regardless of age or sex, they (teachers) are in a position of trust. It is IMO a betrayal of such trust for them to even contemplate a relationship.

As parents, there is enough to worry about bringing up kids without having to be concerned with the teachers motives.
Ok sure, this may have been just one of things. You know, wrong place wrong time. Under different circumstances such a relationship shouldn't be an issue but it is a teacher we are talking about. Someone in a trusted position who is there to educate our kids academically not Sexually, well hands on lessons anyway.

Teachers fall into the same catergory as other figures in the community e.g Police, Priests etc.
There needs\has to be tougher laws to protect our kids and punish those who commit crimes against them.
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And, if a teacher gets involved with an 18 year old, who is to say that the teacher won't get involved with a younger student next time

No one , who knows whats in the future.

I think people are missing one big point , an 18 yr old not a 8 yr old

When i was 18 i clased myself as an adult and was free to have a relationship with who the hell i wanted , teacher or not
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Exactly Warden.
Who knows what will happen?

Ok, the student is of age were they should be able to make their own choices but the teacher should have know better and discouraged the student should that have been the case.
I put the blame solely on the teacher.
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i think the justice system terrible and needs to be completely re shuffled i think criminals these days get away with far too much :bat:
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Most do , but i would not class this teacher a criminal , a lucky b*****d more like :biggrin:
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I believe that we should pick up the death penalty. The criminals that get sentenced to the death penalty should be done. Not sit there rotting on death row, and eating up taxpayers money. I believe that most punishments aren't harsh enough, however, putting that teacher in jail for that because the student is of legal age is a bit rough. However, the teacher should lose her job and not be able to teach anywhere else ever again. Teacher=position of authority=should know better than to do such a thing even if it is a college professor and an even older student. If they really cared about each other so much, they could have waited just a little longer til he was no longer her student. Then go at it! LOL!
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I am not in favor of the "punishment fit the crime" concept. For my money, we need to determine our level of tolerance for individual types of crimes, and escalate the punishment until that level of tolerance is met. Whatever it takes to quell the level of crimes to a reasonable level. I feel that the "rights" of potential future innocent victims should take precedent over the "rights" of convicted criminals. :yes:
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I believe definately in the rights of the victims over the criminals! For instance, I had heard of a guy breakin into a woman's house, he fell through the skylight, and cuts himself on the glass and a knife or some such thing and sued the woman. AND WON!!! yak I mean c'mon! Where's the justice in that??? He shouldn't have been breakin into her house, and shoulda gone to jail for attempted robbery! UGH!!!
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Jul 21 2006, 06:14 PM
I feel that the "rights" of potential future innocent victims should take precedent over the "rights" of convicted criminals. :yes:

Thats the problem, though. There's really no way to punish someone for what they may do in the future.
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GreatWhiteHorse
Jul 23 2006, 07:34 AM
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Jul 21 2006, 06:14 PM
I feel that the "rights" of potential future innocent victims should take precedent over the "rights" of convicted criminals.   :yes:

Thats the problem, though. There's really no way to punish someone for what they may do in the future.

I am not talking about punishing criminals for what they might do in the future. I am just sick and tired of all of the idiots saying, "We must have compassion for this criminal," and if it is compassion that is to be taken into consideration it should be compassion for potential future innocent victims, and that this compassion should take precedent over compassion for someone who has already demonstrated that he/she is capable of, and has committed a serious crime. These criminals have already committed serious crimes, and should be punished accordingly . . . and the penalty should not take some sort of "compassion" for the criminal into consideration. If they do the crime, they should serve the time, compassion for them be dammed. For sure, there will be future innocent victims if and when they are free again. Why should good citizens take chances, when they know that at least some of them will suffer from crimes committed by criminals that get loose earlier than they should? :o
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