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Topic Started: Oct 26 2006, 05:54 PM (1,810 Views)
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I didn't say that rape was anything to be taken lightly. quite on the contrary...

However, i know i have said this a million times before, but life in prison can be a lot worse than death... People get raped in there too (ironic punishment for a convicted rapist imo) and even shanked... with death, it's over in seconds... a life in prison never ends
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I don't believe in the death penalty but one side of me agrees with you Mel, they don't deserve life. However I also agree with Rhy murder is murder no matter what the circumstances. These people should be locked up for LIFE. Life should mean life, not 7 or 8 years. If it were up to me I'd have them all castrated with a pair of rusty scissors but unfortunately it isn't. <_<
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A fair point.
However most rapists don't get life...
and the person who has been raped has to face them in a courtroom to get a conviction... most cases don't even get to trial...
Maybe a death sentance would make people think twice and act as a deterrent...

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If it were up to me I'd have them all castrated with a pair of rusty scissors but unfortunately it isn't. 


Should be the standard punishment imo <_<
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Nov 6 2006, 12:32 PM
A fair point.
However most rapists don't get life...
and the person who has been raped has to face them in a courtroom to get a conviction... most cases don't even get to trial...
Maybe a death sentance would make people think twice and act as a deterrent...

I don't know Mel, it doesn't seem to deter rapists in countries where the death penalty is enforced. I think the prision sentences should be tougher and longer. Realistically our government is unlikely to bring the death penalty back so we need to campaign for longer prison sentences. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but New York 's crime rate fell when they brought in the zero tolerance law. I think our government needs to do the same.

All these stupid laws they they introduced such as asbos and the like don't work. I read in the paper that the yobs see their asbos as something similar to bravery medals! And another thing, animal cruelty needs to be punished more severely. it's a well known fact that people who abuse animals usually move on to people at some stage. Rant over <_<
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Melanie
Nov 6 2006, 12:32 PM
A fair point.
However most rapists don't get life...
and the person who has been raped has to face them in a courtroom to get a conviction... most cases don't even get to trial...
Maybe a death sentance would make people think twice and act as a deterrent...

And that's the problem... the sentences aren't reinforced at all... life should mean life.. not 20 years.

At the end of the day, i won't disagree with you... rapists are scum. complete and utter scum... and a worthy punishment would simply be to castrate them...
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rhyknow
Nov 6 2006, 12:28 PM
I didn't say that rape was anything to be taken lightly. quite on the contrary...

However, i know i have said this a million times before, but life in prison can be a lot worse than death... People get raped in there too (ironic punishment for a convicted rapist imo) and even shanked... with death, it's over in seconds... a life in prison never ends


These creeps are protected and no one can get near them in a UK prison, too many bleeding heart groups and civil right groups also protecting them.

To me they have no civil rights.. they lost them when they decided to abuse that child or rape that woman.

However you are entitled to your opinion... I just wonder how that would cahnge if this actually effected you personally, or your immediate family and murder is not murder regardless to the person.. if this was the case I am guilty many times of murder, I have lost count on how many people I have killed.. does this mean thta I am a murderer? or even a bad guy?
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And i've been asking over and over again, if supporters of the death penalty would feel the same if their family member was on death row... whether they'd still support the death penalty if it was their loved one in the chair... but seems noone has answered that question.

If a family member of mine had murdered someone, they would be a murderer. I'm not going to change my opinion just because of the person... and I have had it affect me. greatly, so i do have an idea what i'm going on about.
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I would be happy to see a family member die if they had comitted a crime as despicable as this, my thoughts would be with the family of the victim not the guilty party.

If I actually tought that a close family member had raped a child, I would take their life myself.

You don't stand by them or protect them because you are related.
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I have to say I agree with you XSAS... I would not stand by and watch someone commit rape or murder even if it was my brother or sister - because there are lines you do not cross...
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- because there are lines you do not cross...


And one of those lines is killing another human being for the sake of revenge.

The death penalty never works as a deterrent. That doesn't hold up. No one of a criminal mind thinks to themselves "If I do this, I could get the death penalty". Criminals who do these things either never think about getting caught or believe they never will.

As for asking someone who has been raped how awful it is...I have no doubt that it was horrible indeed. But...what if we could ask someone who fried to death on the electric chair how horrible it was to die while his eyes liquified and his head caught fire?

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

I have no right to condemn anyone to die, and neither do any of you.

(Except Paris Hilton...she serves no purpose to humanity and could die right now, for all I care. <_< )
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rhyknow, I answered you as closely as I could. The man I was talking about is the brother of one of the Anita Cobby murderers. Yes he believes his brother should die.

If I was in his position I'd be saying the same thing.

If anyone harmed one of my babies I would also be in there wanting to kill them.

GWH you're a dad yourself now. Imagine if someone raped and murdered your child ( God forbid) and there have been cases with children as young as 9 months old having it happened to would you be happy with a jail term for that person?
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GWH you're a dad yourself now. Imagine if someone raped and murdered your child ( God forbid) and there have been cases with children as young as 9 months old having it happened to would you be happy with a jail term for that person?

No, I wouldnt feel happy. But this isnt about what makes one feel good, it's about what's right.

I doubt anything in the world would ever make me happy again...but Im not going to say that the state should kill someone, even in that circumstance, for revenge.

Now, If I were to kill the bastard, that's true revenge.

And let me ask this: If someone hurt my family and I hunt them down and kill them with my own fists...for a crime that would certainly make them eligible for the death penalty...I would be arrested and prosecuted. But they were going to be killed anyway, right? So when I do it, it is murder, and when the state does it, it's...what exactly?

It is state-sanctioned revenge. Nothing more. And it is wrong.
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GWH you're exactly right.. just because a person may have these feelings of wanting somebody dead after they have harmed a member of their family DOESN'T MAKE THE DEATH PENALTY RIGHT.
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Like i said... i have been through an experience that taught me that revenge is NEVER the key... all it ever did was make my life miserable, and made me hate myself.
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