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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 30 2006, 02:37 AM (471 Views) | |
| StoneAgeQueen | Oct 30 2006, 02:37 AM Post #1 |
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Ok. In this thread GWH and Rhy will debate on whether hip hop music glamorises violence. The debate will run for seven days (starting from today 30.Oct.2006)). Only the participants are allowed to post in here to avoid confusion. Any other posts made by other members WILL BE DELETED. GWH is of the opinion that hip hop does glamorise violence, Rhy takes the opposing view. Over to you guys! <_< I have decided that a poll will be the fairest way to judge the winner of the debate. This will be put up at the end. |
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| rhyknow | Nov 1 2006, 03:29 AM Post #2 |
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Oki dokis... well here goes nothing. Hip Hop music- true hip hop music, that is, doesn't focus on violence. The music that does, and in fact focuses on the "Gangsta Lifestyle" (50 Cent or Tupac are examples here) isn't true hiphop music. It is infact more to be considered as Rap music or R 'n' B which, while being offshoots of hip hop, are not the same thing. If we look at the roots of hip hop music, it evolved on the streets. The lyrical influences were just on daily life... And for many of the artists involved in the hip hop movement of the 70s, violence was a day of life. Please remember that talking about violence isn't the same as GLAMOURISING it. Beleive it or not, modern hip hop artists such as Mr Lif, Busdriver... their lyrics are more abstract or politically motivated, and do infact try to distance themselves from today's "thug life" attitude that was popularized by Tupac or B.I.G. They are advocates of the true hip hop movement... moving back to it's roots. Over to you GWH |
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| GreatWhiteHorse | Nov 1 2006, 01:35 PM Post #3 |
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What I am going to focus on in this debate is the influence hip-hop has on the culture that invented it, young black America. In fact, the hip-hop culture has completely supplanted the culture of American black youth, defining, in essence, and entire section of the population. While it is true what rhyknow says about the origins of hip-hop, today the genre is largely about street life, violence, the objectification of women as 'bitches' and 'hos', sex, and making money. Political rap, slick, ultra-cool kung-fu rap and the like performed by artists like Common or the Wu-Tang Clan are splinter groups. For every one Common there are 30 Ludacris's and 50 Cents. Kids follow these performers and idolize them, thinking that being a man is smoking weed, sleeping with as many women as possible and rolling on 20-inch rims. Today, rap IS hip-hop. It is clothing, attitude and lifestyle which speaks for an entire culture group searching for an identity. |
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| rhyknow | Nov 1 2006, 02:02 PM Post #4 |
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Ok... As GWH so rightly pointed out, mainstream hip hop does focus on so called 'street life'. But for this post, i'd like to focus on some of the splinter hip hop artists and their lyrics. So to start off, here are the lyrics to "phantom" by Mr. Lif.
OK.. .so let's take a quick look at the parts in bold... First of all "I turn on the TV and see crime"; now if we actually listen to the track, we hear Lif's voice fill with sudden sadness. Put in the context with the song, it's like he's saying that's all the mainstream media seem to focus on these days, and crime perpetuated by minorities. Secondly: "I don't shoot up, smoke crack or take shorts". It's Lif's way of basically saying "When you think a black rapper from the street, you stereotype." and for the final paragraph... It's a well formulated observation on American society. Seeking education, single mother; hard working... what do you get for it? you get shunned by society! It's an observation on daily, and street life. As GWH pointed out though, artists like this are a minority. |
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| StoneAgeQueen | Nov 6 2006, 08:26 AM Post #5 |
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Ok the debate ended today. Do you guys want more time or is this it? :unsure: |
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| rhyknow | Nov 6 2006, 08:41 AM Post #6 |
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I'm good... it's up to GWH if he wants to further his argument |
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| GreatWhiteHorse | Nov 12 2006, 12:45 PM Post #7 |
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Sorry, Ive been rather busy. Yes, I would like to further my argument. Hip hop and rap artists of today have the enormous responsibility of not only speaking for, but largely defining urban black culture. It is a responsibility taken lightly, though, and the evidence of it's influence can be seen everywhere. I live in Detroit...it doesnt get much more 'urban' than this. Everyday I see busted-up cars with shiny rims on them, pimps in cadillacs and destroyed neighborhoods. The problem with this is that it has almost become an accepted way of life for the younger generations. The 'hood' is what it is...no need to change it, just make your own money. Civic pride is gone, brotherhood is replaced by violence. The leaders of youth culture, the rap/hip-hop artists, talk of women and drugs, guns and money. They have preached a type of glorification of the ghetto lifestyle, making it cool to be a 'gangsta'. It is past the point of being social commentary, as rhyknow and others would suggest. It has become an active, major reason for the ghetto existence of young, rebellious, urban America. |
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| Isis | Nov 19 2006, 03:15 PM Post #8 |
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Rhyknow do you wish to reply before the debate is closed?.... |
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