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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 7 2007, 03:08 PM (1,951 Views) | |
| Isis | Jul 7 2007, 03:08 PM Post #1 |
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There is a great debate on the truth of Global Warming, What is your veiw on this subject.... |
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| LarryOldtimer | Jul 7 2007, 08:44 PM Post #2 |
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There was certainly a bit of global warming in the 20th Century. A continuation of the warming which has been going on since the Little Ice Age ended. Good thing too. There have been 2 periods in fairly recent history when it has been a good bit warmer than it is today. There was the Roman Warm Period, which ended about the Year 1, and civilization flourished during that time. It was the period of the greatest expansion of the Roman Empire. The second one was the Medieval Warm Period. That began about 950 AD, and once again, civilizations flourished once again. Between these two warm periods was what historians called the Dark Ages, so called because of the almost complete dearth of written materials. Not to be confused with the later medieval dark ages, so called because of no change in the knowledge of humankind, as anything new was forbidden by the Church. During the original Dark Ages, it was pretty dreadful. Barbarians held sway, and civilization, at least in Europe just about disappeared. After the Medieval Warm Period came the Little Ice Age, when people suffered badly. Famines were common. At the beginning of the Little Ice Age came the Black Death, a plague which wiped out some 1/3 to 1/2 of the people on the planet. What they don't really tell us in history, is that some 5 years in a row of unusually cold weather, unusually cold even in the Little Ice Age is what caused the French Revolution. There had been 5 years of significant crop failure, and when the French government could do nothing to alleviate the ensuing famine, the peasants revolted. The real question isn't whether global warming is happening, or whether it will continue to happen. The real question is whether we humans can do anything about climate change. The favorite theory now seems to be that carbon dioxide is causing global warming. There are a couple of other theories gaining ground at this time. Humans account for about 5% of all of the emissions of carbon dioxide. Since the number of human beings is projected to increase by about 50% by 2050, I figure there isn't a chance in Hell that there will be anything but an increase in CO2, whatever laws are enacted. Unless, of course, another something like the Black Death occurs, killing off abut half of the people on the planet. Then, there might be a real reduction of human being emitted carbon dioxide. Otherwise, all bets are off. Since human emissions of carbon dioxide couldn't possibly be the cause for the previous two warm periods, I doubt that carbon dioxide is the cause of any global warming. In any event, we won't be reducing it anytime soon. Might be an interesting ride. <_< |
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| Mystical | Jul 8 2007, 07:10 AM Post #3 |
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I've heard so many theories on global warming that I have no idea who to believe. I do believe that the earth is changing it's course as far as temperatures go. Right now in the USA the West is baking, with record high temperatures. Is this a factor in global warming? I don't know. Is it a course that the Earth is taking at this time? I think so I keep hearing things like "Greenhouse affect" and alnino etc,. I see where we are going to have a record breaking amount of "hurricanes" this year in the US. Are weather has been sporadic. Could it be that it's because of global warming? I'm not sure, maybe it's the Earths way of changing. I've also heard that we get closer and closer to the sun. I do believe that year after year we along with the Earth evolve more and more. |
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| ravenheart_05 | Jul 10 2007, 02:04 AM Post #4 |
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I have to agree that I believe most of the warming is a natural process that the Earth goes through. Some of it is caused by humans, but not to the extent that politicians would have us believe. Sadly, it is used as a soap box for them to spread doom and gloom stories to try and scare people to vote for them. Does pollution need to be cut down? Most definately, but that is a seperate issue in itself. What needs to happen is that everyone has to get together and figure out the best ways to cope with the ever changing conditions instead of blaming one another. The Earth is a complex Biosystem that will function as it always has regardless of what humans do or don't do. The best way to deal with it is to try and better understand it so that logical solutions can be developed. Just an aside, if we were beginning another Ice Age, would that be blamed on humans producing so much smog that the Sun was being blocked? I bet the politicians would find a way to blame that on us also!! |
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| GreatWhiteHorse | Jul 28 2007, 03:02 AM Post #5 |
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You know, Im as liberal as they come...and even I am not convinced that it is as bad as many people say it is. Sure, it's happening...any fool can see that. But is it man-made? Is it a natural process like Raven suggested? I don't know...but I know I was watching a Tigers game here the other day and it was noted that this was exceptionally cool weather for late July...what should be the hottest time of the season. I also remember the record snowfalls of last year and how gruelingly long and bone-chillingly cold winter was. |
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| Isis | Aug 8 2007, 07:23 PM Post #6 |
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We also had a very cool July, But i don't think it's really as bad as they want us to believe either, The Earth goes in 100 year cycle's and if you look back you can see the same weather pattern's, Just like Hurricane's run in 100 year cycle's.....
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| LarryOldtimer | Sep 17 2007, 10:05 PM Post #7 |
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My, oh my. It seems now that the NASA temperature adjustments were not made properly, so now the year 1934 is again the warmest year of record in the US, and most of the hottest years were pre-1940. What is really interesting is that most of the carbon dioxide made by man occurred post-1940 . . . and it didn't get hotter than it was in the 1930s. Methinks that the post Little Ice Age warming just might have come to an end. Sure hope it stays warm for at least a while . . . the rest of my lifetime. I sure do hate cold weather, and I do like to have food to eat.
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| Imago | Nov 19 2007, 02:47 PM Post #8 |
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I think that the weather changes are caused by el nino and el nina changing route slightly, it happens every 50-100 years, thats why Australia is in drought, i'm not too sure about global warming, i'm still making up my mind wether or not it's another scare tactic. |
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| GreatWhiteHorse | Nov 19 2007, 03:51 PM Post #9 |
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Scare tactic, eh? This just released a day or so ago. UN panel gives dire warming forecast VALENCIA, Spain - Global warming is "unequivocal" and carbon dioxide already in the atmosphere commits the world to an eventual rise in sea levels of up to 4.6 feet, the world's top climate experts warned Saturday in their most authoritative report to date. "Only urgent, global action will do," said U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, calling on the United States and China — the world's two biggest polluters — to do more to slow global climate change. Climate change imperils "the most precious treasures of our planet," he said, and the effects are "so severe and so sweeping that only urgent global action will do. We are all in this together. We must work together." According to the U.N. panel of scientists, whose latest report is a synthesis of three previous ones, enough carbon dioxide already has built up that it imperils islands, coastlines and a fifth to two-thirds of the world's species. As early as 2020, 75 million to 250 million people in Africa will suffer water shortages, residents of Asia's large cities will be at great risk of river and coastal flooding, according to the report. Europeans can expect extensive species loss, and North Americans will experience longer and hotter heat waves and greater competition for water, says the report from the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which shared the Nobel Prize with Al Gore this year. LINK to ARTICLE This report is unprecedented because the science underlying it has been adopted by all. That means that there is no argument on the authenticity of it's findings. It is a very important issue and a good story...I urge anyone to read the article. |
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| Mystical | Nov 29 2007, 04:57 AM Post #10 |
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Very interesting GWH |
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| Max | Mar 18 2009, 04:54 PM Post #11 |
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I think Earth's weather is linked to Solar magnetic and flare activity. We just came out of a Solar Max 2 years ago-maximum sunspot and solar flare weather,and the Sun is now in Solar Minimum-greatly decreased magnetic effects,sunspot activity,and flare. The Earth's average temp. fell over the last two years too. Not exactly to Ice Age levels or anything,but I think Solar weather is the great controller of Earth's weather. |
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| Wabbit | Aug 5 2009, 10:08 AM Post #12 |
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I think it's a matter of public record that we are contributing substancially to a natural phenomena. The sooner people realise this the better, it's generally accepted that as a species we are in self destruct mode. Its my grand kids I'm concerned about. For that reason I take global warming very seriously. |
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| Mister_Crispy | Dec 23 2009, 01:10 PM Post #13 |
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The debate should be over the degree to which this phenomenon is occurring & whether it is man made or not. My opinion is that weather is a thing that is cyclical in nature and that it is not drastically influenced by humanity. Of course I am not a scientist or I would be telling you something more sensational. |
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| LarryOldtimer | Dec 27 2009, 11:23 PM Post #14 |
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It has recently been demonstrated beyond need that all of the "data" those "scientists" who promote Anthropogenic (human caused) Global Warming "used" were "fiddled" with by those "scientists" only to promote the speculation of Anthropogenic Global Warming itself. Those temperature "data" were about the same as if they had been "cut out of whole cloth". The greatest and most succesful (for a good while now) scientific fraud in the history of humankind, it has been. And certainly is and will be the most disastrous by far, from any economic standpoint, of all scientific frauds ever, for all who live or will live in "western civilization". But politicians being politicians, and wanting to have a "good excuse" for taxing more and more, still embrace this obviously fraudulent no more than speculation. In case no one else noticed, "Baby, it's cold outside", all over the US, mostly, and all over Europe, mostly. With no sunspots to speak of or write about appearing on "Old Sol" for the last 4 or so years, we could even be in the beginnings of a brand new Ice Age. Edited by LarryOldtimer, Dec 27 2009, 11:31 PM.
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| DONTEATUS | Dec 29 2009, 12:08 PM Post #15 |
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Be Scared! Vary Scared! But overall Be Active and Start to change your ways! We just may All see our end in as few as 20yrs! You all need to Look around the Planet to see for yourselfs! Ice Feilds melting! Glaicers are now Gone from mountian tops! Mt-Fuji is next to Loose its Snow Covered Peak! Sea Levels are going to Cover The East Coast by 2020 mark my words! Get above 800 feet MSL If you want to stay Dry! And as For Dry Better Drink all the water you can Hold now ! Its going to be a Rough Ride! My Kid is in for a Shock ! |
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