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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 11 2008, 05:45 PM (837 Views) | |
| Deleted User | Feb 11 2008, 05:45 PM Post #1 |
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In case you aren't sure what waterboarding is: Waterboarding involves strapping a person down and pouring water over the suspect's cloth-covered face to create the sensation of drowning. It has been traced back hundreds of years, to the Spanish Inquisition, and is condemned by nations around the world. Critics call it a form of torture. Source |
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| Mystical | Feb 12 2008, 06:15 AM Post #2 |
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I think it's wrong. Of course I think any kind of torture is wrong. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 12 2008, 07:20 PM Post #3 |
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I'm kind of undecided about it. The other night some show was actually showing footage of it being done. It wasn't to someone being interrogated, but rather a demonstration. While it isn't something I would want done to me, it wasn't as torturous as I thought it was - at least not in the demonstration. That said, I'm sure when they do it in a real interogation it is much more traumatic for the person having it done to them then how it appeared in the demonstration. My bigger concern with it would be wether or not it leads to someone confessing simply to get themselves out of being waterboarded. |
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| Mystical | Feb 13 2008, 12:37 AM Post #4 |
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Well being brought to the point of almost drowning I think could be a form of torture. I found an article about this today. I really don't know if what they call lawful under the right right circumstances is lawful. I just don't know about this! White House pushes waterboarding rationale Administration may be trying to shore up prosecution of terrorism suspects After years of refusing public comment on a particularly harsh CIA interrogation method, top Bush administration officials have suddenly begun pressing a controversial argument that it was legal for the CIA to strap prisoners to a board and pour water over their face to make them believe they were being drowned. The issue promises to play a role in the historic military prosecution of six al-Qaeda detainees for allegedly organizing the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, in cases described by the Defense Department on Monday. One of the six detainees, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, was subjected to the technique known as waterboarding after his capture in 2003, and four of the others were subjected to different "enhanced interrogation" tactics by the CIA. If the information the CIA collected is used in court, defense attorneys may attack it as tainted and unlawful. If the government relies instead on evidence the FBI collected in voluntary interrogations -- using the CIA information as a road map -- defense attorneys could still allege that the material is the "fruit of a poisonous tree" and unlawful. The government's defense of the waterboarding episodes, laid out in congressional testimony and administration statements over the past two weeks, relies on a complex legal argument that many scholars and human rights advocates say is at odds with settled law barring conduct that amounts to torture, at any time or for any reason. It also leaves open the possibility that, under the right conditions, the CIA could decide to use the tactic again. Protecting interrogators? The strategy appears to be aimed primarily at ensuring that no CIA interrogators face criminal prosecution for using harsh interrogation methods that top White House and Justice Department lawyers approved in the months after the Sept. 11 attacks. Because waterboarding was deemed legal at the time by the Justice Department, Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey told lawmakers, he has no grounds to launch a criminal probe of the practice. Supreme Court Justice Antonin M. Scalia echoed the administration's view when he said in a BBC Radio interview yesterday that some physical interrogation techniques could be used on a suspect in the event of an imminent threat, such as a hidden bomb about to blow up. "It would be absurd to say you couldn't do that," Scalia said. "And once you acknowledge that, we're into a different game: How close does the threat have to be? And how severe can the infliction of pain be?" White House spokesman Tony Fratto told reporters last week: "Any technique that you use, you use it under certain circumstances. It was something that they felt at that time was necessary, and they sought legal guidance to make sure that it was legal and that it was effective." Such detailed commentary on a classified interrogation program marks a departure for the administration, which for years had refused to confirm the use of waterboarding. Officials asserted that American lives would be put at risk if information about such an aggressive interrogation method were disclosed. Controversy quickly followed CIA Director Michael V. Hayden's confirmation last week that three al-Qaeda prisoners were subjected to waterboarding in 2002 and 2003. Hayden, Fratto and other Bush administration officials left open the possibility that President Bush could authorize the use of simulated drowning again, but conceded that recent court rulings and legislation might not allow it. The flurry of statements prompted fierce criticism from Democrats as well as strong condemnations from abroad. Manfred Nowak, the United Nations special rapporteur on torture, said last week that the administration's use of waterboarding is "unjustifiable" and "absolutely unacceptable under international human rights law." Waterboarding usually involves pouring water over a captive's mouth and nose while he is strapped to an inclined board, with his head lower than his feet and a piece of cloth or cellophane placed over his face. Use of the tactic and its variations has long been condemned by the State Department, and it is explicitly barred by the U.S. Army Field Manual for the handling of military prisoners. http://www.msnbc.com/id/23146359 |
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| LarryOldtimer | Apr 7 2008, 05:08 PM Post #5 |
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It is wrong until the life of myself or someone I love depends on it. Then it is great. It is a case of doing whatever is necessary to survive. |
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| Mystical | Apr 8 2008, 12:05 AM Post #6 |
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As in kill or be killed is what your implying Larry? Never thought of it that way. |
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| Max | Mar 18 2009, 04:39 PM Post #7 |
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Pickle barrel, pickle barrel, Kumquat!
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Yeah-if the choice is waterboarding or shooting prisoners until I get the info that will save my men-which would you rather I do? |
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| Deleted User | Mar 18 2009, 05:43 PM Post #8 |
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Well... it's like I said... I was wondering at the time if it's something that would just lead to false testitmonies. If that's all it accomplishes than it doesn't do anyone much good. |
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| Max | Mar 18 2009, 05:59 PM Post #9 |
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Pickle barrel, pickle barrel, Kumquat!
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I hear ya' Lefty. For me-it would work like this: common prisoners, I wouldn't ever touch them. BUT,say it's a situation like in the movie 'Tears of the Sun' where my unit is in extremis,and I have prisoners who might have the answers I need to save my boys.............yes. I'll do what I need to do. |
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| LarryOldtimer | Mar 18 2009, 07:52 PM Post #10 |
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Waterboarding Hell. If it were the life of any loved one of mine at stake, out would come the bamboo splinters and pliers. |
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| The Mule | Mar 18 2009, 10:07 PM Post #11 |
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Ah yes....I find root canals to be quite effective!! Is it safe? |
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| Delovely | Mar 19 2009, 02:29 AM Post #12 |
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David Blake would find that normal period. And I happen to agree. It's like feeling how hard life can be, learning the hard way. It's not torture if it's your choice, it's torture if you are forced. |
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Some things must be handled smoothly, quietly. "When you are deluded and full of doubt, even a thousand books of wisdom are not enough. When you have realized understanding, even one word is too much." ~*~ | |
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| The Mule | Mar 19 2009, 02:39 AM Post #13 |
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It's torture if you let ME near your mouth with a dental pick..... |
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| Delovely | Mar 19 2009, 04:09 AM Post #14 |
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Hmm.. I'm not that daft yet. LOL |
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Some things must be handled smoothly, quietly. "When you are deluded and full of doubt, even a thousand books of wisdom are not enough. When you have realized understanding, even one word is too much." ~*~ | |
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| GRAVEYARD HOUND | Jan 27 2011, 09:18 AM Post #15 |
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If it works and can help us get the info. we need , go for it...
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"While hiding out in Cairo,... I'm a desperate man...Send lawyers, guns, and money,... the shit has hit the fan".(Paraphrase from "LAWYERS, GUNS AND MONEY") "...We die at such a place; some swearing; some dying, some crying for a surgeon; ....some upon their wives left poor behind them; ...some upon the debts they owed; some upon their children rawly left. I am afeared there are few die well that die in battle..." KING HENRY V. ActIV.Scene i | |
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, go for it...

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