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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 26 2008, 01:16 PM (615 Views) | |
| Ace | Feb 26 2008, 01:16 PM Post #1 |
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Is there any historical proof of Jesus, that he actually walked this earth? |
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| Mystical | Feb 27 2008, 01:36 AM Post #2 |
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This is all I could find on the subject. There were many links but they all said the same thing. It's for those who believe to decide? Is there historical and scientific proof of Jesus? It is interesting that when people seek historic and scientific proof of Jesus, they immediately discount the Bible as a reliable source. If we look at the Bible simply as a historic document, it should be among the most reliable on record compared with others. Historians routinely cite Herodotus as a key source of information. He wrote from 488 B.C. to 428 B.C. and the earliest copy of his work comes from 900 A.D. (1,300 years later). There are only eight known copies of his work. By contrast, the New Testament of the Bible (with all its information about Jesus) was written between 40 A.D. and 100 A.D. The earliest known copy is from 130 A.D. and there are 5,000 known copies in Greek, 10,000 in Latin and 9,300 in other languages. Still, to put to rest the notion that there is no historic and scientific proof of Jesus outside the Bible, we may look to Jewish historian Flavius Josephus and to Roman historian Carius Cornelius Tacitus - both well known and accepted. Josephus, in the book Jewish Antiquities" wrote: "At that time lived Jesus, a wise man, if he may be called a man; for he performed many wonderful works. He was a teacher of such men as received the truth with pleasure. . . .And when Pilate, at the instigation of the chief men among us, had condemned him to the cross, they who before had conceived an affection for him did not cease to adhere to him. For on the third day he appeared to them alive again, the divine prophets having foretold these and many other wonderful things concerning him. And the sect of the Christians, so called from him, subsists at this time" (Antiquities, Book 18, Chapter 3, Section 1). Tacitus, in writing about accusations that Nero burned the city of Rome and blamed it on Christians, said the following: ". . .Nero procured others to be accused, and inflicted exquisite punishment upon those people, who were in abhorrence for their crimes, and were commonly known by the name of Christians. They had their denomination from Christus (Christ, dm.), who in the reign of Tibertius was put to death as a criminal by the procurator Pontius Pilate. . . .At first they were only apprehended who confessed themselves of that sect; afterwards a vast multitude discovered by them, all of which were condemned, not so much for the crime of burning the city, as for their enmity to mankind. . . ." (Tacitus, Annals, 15, 44). http://www.allaboutjesus.org |
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| Deleted User | Feb 27 2008, 06:20 AM Post #3 |
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I went to a Catholic highschool in which we were required to take religion as a class for all 4 years (I think it was all 4 anyway). In one of those classes a student had asked the teacher whether there is any proof Jesus existed and I remember the teacher (he was a priest by the way) saying that it is a historical fact that someone known as Jesus existed in the same way it is known other people throughout history existed (like Goerge Washington for example). Unfortunately I don't recall if he gave reasons as to why this is known or whether he simply said it just to say it. Basically though he was trying to say that whether you believe Jesus was/is the Son of God or not, a historical figure known as Jesus Christ did in fact exist. |
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| GreatWhiteHorse | Feb 27 2008, 02:08 PM Post #4 |
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There are no contemporary accounts of Jesus. Even the nativity in Matthew was written 70 years after the supposed death of Jesus, and it contains so many historical inaccuracies (slaughter of the innocents, etc.) that it is not taken seriously by historians. As for the two men mentioned: You have to understand that Josephus wasn't born until 37 c.e. (or a.d., whichever you prefer). By the time he wrote in the Antiquities the Christ legend was already in full swing thanks to Paul. Tacitus wrote even later than Josephus. His writings are from about 100 c.e.! That was around the time Josephus died. There are no records of the crucifixion of Jesus, though the Romans kept meticulous records of such things, and those two men you mentioned, "well known and accepted" or not, are not reliable sources since the accounts of the life of Jesus have him being dead and gone before they even put pen to paper on the subject. There is no solid historical evidence that the man known as Jesus of Nazareth existed as we know him today. I am not saying he never lived, because I do believe in the historical Jesus, but I believe he was a Rabbinical preacher whose legacy was created long after the fact by Paul of Tarsus and others. |
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| LarryOldtimer | Feb 27 2008, 06:21 PM Post #5 |
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Why am I reminded of the song, Davey Crockett? Now David Crockett was a real man, but the tales told of him couldn't possibly be true. I find it extremely difficult to accept that someone who raised the dead, changed water into wine, healed the ill and the like didn't have a single surviving word written about him during his lifetime. Moreover, the writings in the New Testament demonstrate clearly that Joseph, the putative step-father of Jesus, was in fact a wealthy man, hardly a "poor" carpenter. |
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| Mystical | Mar 4 2008, 01:11 AM Post #6 |
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GWH I agree with what you said I was just trying to find a link for Ace. Couldn't find anything that gave total proof that jesus of nazareth existed. |
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| GreatWhiteHorse | Mar 4 2008, 05:35 PM Post #7 |
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That's cuz there isn't any. |
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| GreatWhiteHorse | Mar 4 2008, 05:38 PM Post #8 |
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Kinda reminds me of the image schoolbooks paint of young Christopher Columbus, a boy with a dream dressed in rags shambling along on a donkey...when in fact his family was very well-to-do and even may have been Jewish bankers! Ha ha ha...George Washington and the cherry tree, indeed. |
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