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Should men have a choice for abortion?
Topic Started: Feb 27 2008, 01:16 AM (1,051 Views)
Mystical
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I was just reading an article which I will post with this about a man putting pills in his girlfriends yogurt to make her miscarry.

Court: Man put abortion pills in lover's yogurt
Swedish woman aborted pregnancy over tainted food fears

updated 6:58 p.m. ET, Tues., Feb. 26, 2008
STOCKHOLM, Sweden - A Swedish court of appeal on Tuesday sentenced a 27-year-old man to 18 months in prison for trying to make his girlfriend miscarry by mixing abortion pills in her food.

The man, who was not named for legal reasons, had his jail term increased from a previous one-year sentence set by a district court in June.

In its ruling, the Court of Appeal for Western Sweden found the man guilty of aggravated assault for attempting to make his girlfriend of eight years miscarry by giving her a yogurt containing three ground-up pills. The sentence also included a more minor count of assault.



The court documents said the woman had decided to have the baby even though he felt he was not ready to be a father. The man ordered some pills on the Internet and fooled his doctor into prescribing others for another condition.

The woman ate the yogurt and suffered severe stomach pains and vaginal bleeding.

When she later realized what she had eaten, she decided to have an abortion, fearing that the fetus had been damaged by the pills.

The defendant's lawyer, Lars Boberg, said his client would most likely appeal the ruling.

http://www.msnbc.com/id/23358791/?GT1=10856


Ok here is my question for debate: Do you think that the man in a relationship has just as much right to decide whether an unwanted pregnancy should be aborted?

Should the woman have soul right as it is her body that will be carrying the child?
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Well I don't really support abortion as killing is wrong. But the male partner should have the right as well as the woman. Not like it matters seeing as the child will belong to the mother. I would much rather see the child go to an orphanage.

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In my opinion men should absolutely 100% have a say in whether or not the mother-to-be of their child can or cannot have an abortion.

That said, I realize there are certain situations in which the woman may have good reason to override what the would be father may want.

In general however, I feel very strongly that men should have a say when it comes to abortion.

ETA: I didn't read what Mystical had posted at first (I just saw the topic title) and to my surprise it's actually questioning in reverse of what I initially thought.

If the man wants the abortion, but the woman wishes to have the child, then in my opinion the woman should be allowed to go forth with the pregnancy.

If the man lets it be known early enough however that he would rather have the child aborted, then I'd have to question whether or not he should also be required to pay child support.

There are other more complicated aspects of this though that I don't really feel like getting into at the moment. In general however I am against abortions so I find it very unfortunate that a topic like this even needs to be a discussion.
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Aye, this be a slippery slope!! My feeling is that the two should talk it over and come to an agreement. If the woman wants to have the child, but the man does not, then he should be able to walk away, with no responsibilities. Personally, I feel that would be pretty cowardly, but to each their own. In no way, shape or form should the man be able to force the woman to have an abortion.
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Yep. 100%
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Thanks for the replies everyone and I have to say I agree with you Left Field there shouldn't even be a discussion about things like this. Sadly it happens everyday. While I don't condone abortion they also happen daily. I feel that if you think your old enough to take the step and not use protection "Pregnancy can happen." I live by the rule that "If you play, you may pay." I don't think abortion should be readily available. I also feel that it should be discussed by the two soon to be parents on which direction they choose, but they should have had that discussion prior to have sexual relations in the first place.


I'm on the fence about abortion in cases of "rape" that is also an unwanted pregnancy but it was brought on by force. I still don't believe anybody has the right to end anyone elses life though. So I'm undecided on this one.
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Yes i think they should also have a say in what happen's to their baby, after all it does take two.... :whistle:
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Feb 27 2008, 01:33 PM
Aye, this be a slippery slope!! My feeling is that the two should talk it over and come to an agreement. If the woman wants to have the child, but the man does not, then he should be able to walk away, with no responsibilities.

Ah haaaaa, slippery slope, indeed.

If that were the policy, what the heck would stop any man alive from screwing his way through the phone book regardless of the consequences since he can just say "I don't want it" and be absolved when the ladies come around with the DNA results?

*sigh*...this is tough. I think it is ludicrous that any moron guy thinks he should be able to make a woman have an abortion. However, I also think it is totally wrong for a woman to have an abortion without the (dedicated and willing) father-to-be's consent.

I'm a father, and I think it would be inconcievable for a prospective abortion to be decided upon without both parents talking about it. A child is still the man's offspring every bit as much as the woman's, but until the baby is born it is the woman's body we're talking about here, and the man must, IMO, respect and give way to that.
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I agree with you GWH...

For me this is a contentious issue so I'm not going to go into it!
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I dunno. I think that an excellent case could be made in many instances that the man who was the "donor" of the sperm simply abandoned his sperm. If you toss an apple core into my yard, and a tree grows from it, does that give you any right to decide whether I cut the apple tree which grew because of your action down or not?

Men who are concerned about what happens to any children which might be a result of screwing around would do better to make sure that they deposit their sperm in a safer place. Being married to the woman they make pregnant certainly should give them a say in whether there should be any abortion. But, I sure as the devil wouldn't put up with someone who tossed the apple core away, and then tried to tell me that I couldn't cut the tree down which grew from one of the seeds in the core.
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Well on this subject you'd be better off using a condom and birth control I take it that since were having this discussion Theres not a people using protection while they have sex.

Larry as far as your statement on depositing sperm in a safer place Why not take it out when your ready to release? Would this not minimize the chances of getting your partner pregnant?
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i don't agree with abortion period...but if they were gonna do that, it should be the same as adoption.....the father has to sign away his rights for a woman to give the child up for adoption, should have to sign something to give up his parental rights
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Darknight "Taking it out" may not make a difference. Birth Control is for those who do not want to have an unwanted pregnancy.

Stormy your also right I think the man should have the right to decide, just as the woman has the right. The article above really gets to me though. The woman wanted the baby but that right was more or less taken away from her because the man gave her pills in her yogurt. That I think was wrong! Nobody has the right to commit a crime like that. That's exactly what it was! A crime to take the womans rights away and give her something that she wasn't aware of. The child was aborted because of it's fathers maliciousness.
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:speechless: Of course they should have some say so but it's the woman's body and her choice should be the overiding one. :speechless:
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