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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 7 2008, 12:13 AM (887 Views) | |
| Mystical | Apr 7 2008, 12:13 AM Post #1 |
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Here is a debate question for you all. For organs to be harvested the person has to still have a heart beat. Brain dead people are kept alive by life support. Do you think it's ethical for someones organs to be harvested if they still have a heartbeat and do you think that organ donation is a good thing. What's your opinion on "when is someone officically dead?" 1.) When the heart stops beating? OR 2.) When a person is brain dead and there is no quality of life left? Also who decides if in fact these people they are harvesting these organs from are truely dead? Is this a question of ethics or a question of ones religion? TEL AVIV, Israel – Israelis in desperate need of an organ transplant can now breathe a little easier. A new law passed last week in the Israeli Knesset (parliament) will hopefully help bridge the gulf between Orthodox and secular Jews on the controversial issue of organ donation and help pave the way for more transplants. An issue which has long been a sticking point in the organ transplant debate in Israel has been the question of when a person is considered to be officially dead. The new law hopes to assuage the concerns of Orthodox Jews by introducing new guidelines for doctors and families to follow if there is an opportunity for a donation. Despite the change, there is still a great deal of opposition among Orthodox Jews. Beni Moshe, who is number one on the list of people waiting for a new lung, fears it may already be too late for him. The 46-year-old Moshe, who is married and the father of three, suffers from a severe lung disease which means he is attached to an oxygen tank 24/7. "I hope the new law will encourage people to donate, I have been waiting since August for a transplant and feel I’m floating between life and death," Moshe told Haaretz newspaper. Timing critical For transplants to be effective, medical staff must have access to a donor’s organs the minute a person is pronounced brain dead. At that point doctors can use the heart, the lungs and the liver. However, up until last week, the medical definition of brain dead was not accepted by Orthodox Jews who believe a person is dead only when their heart stops beating, which is often too late for doctors to use the organs. As a result, organ donors in Israel are rare – amounting to only 4 percent of the population – leaving 1,000 patients in Israel who are currently waiting for an organ donation. New protocol Rabbi Yuval Sherlo, a vocal advocate for organ donation, is trying to help assuage the fears of Orthodox Jews about the process. Sherlo explained that most Orthodox Jews distrust doctors and are afraid they will be too quick to proclaim a relative is dead in order to take the organs. Also, many Orthodox families want a relative’s body to be buried as intact as possible, with no defects. Sherlo is appealing to Orthodox Jews to adhere to the new protocol approved by the Knesset. The new law states that once a person is pronounced brain dead and is a candidate for organ donation, the following procedure must be followed: A high-ranking doctor working independently from the attending physician will approach the family to explain the new protocol and make sure that the guidelines for transplant set by a special committee of rabbis is being adhered to. The attending doctor will evaluate the patient’s situation and act accordingly, explaining the guidelines to the family again and ultimately giving them the right to refuse the whole procedure altogether if they ask not to go ahead. But in Israel nothing is easy. Orthodox Jews are themselves divided along ethnic lines. The Orthodox Zionist movement is on board with the new law and the green light was also given by the Sephardic Jews. The real problem lies with the Ashkenazy movement, which adamantly rejected the new law, claiming that taking any organ from a person whose heart is still beating is equal to bloodshed. It looks like the fate of Moshe, and more patients like him, lies largely with Orthodox leaders, who are expected to call upon their followers to accept the new ruling and agree to donate their relatives’ organs to save the lives of others. http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/200.../04/858778.aspx |
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| nfinity_8 | Nov 3 2008, 01:09 PM Post #2 |
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A STUDENT OF LIFE.....ALWAYS LEARNING....
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I work in the medical field and a person is considered clinically dead when there is no brain function...If the person is an organ donor...then they will keep the person alive by mechanical means until the organs can be harvested...some organs can be taken without the heart beating and some taken with the heart beating...I for one believe it is the persons choice....This day and time people can chose to be organ donors while they are alive...If not then it is up to the persons loved ones who decide...Organ donation is a good thing....It is one of the most unselfish things a person can do for another.... |
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| Max | Mar 19 2009, 04:26 AM Post #3 |
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Pickle barrel, pickle barrel, Kumquat!
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I'm signed up as an organ donor. I believe brain death means I've gone to whatever afterlife there is,and if any part of my remains can help someone else have a better quality of life,then let that be my final gift. |
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| Bone Shard | Mar 19 2009, 12:26 PM Post #4 |
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I believe once the brain is dead you are dead and the body is only kept alive when the organs are going to be transplanted. If someone is on life support without any brain activity and is not going to be donating organs then that is not living at all. |
![]() IF YOU FIND A WANDERING BRAIN IT'S MINE SO PLEASE RETURN IT IN ONE PIECE!
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| LarryOldtimer | Mar 19 2009, 12:41 PM Post #5 |
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The Man!!!
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Not an organ donor here either. My research has led me to the determination that a person is always much better off being worth more when alive than when dead.
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| GRAVEYARD HOUND | Jan 27 2011, 09:17 AM Post #6 |
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No brain activity after all life support systems have been removed.
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"While hiding out in Cairo,... I'm a desperate man...Send lawyers, guns, and money,... the shit has hit the fan".(Paraphrase from "LAWYERS, GUNS AND MONEY") "...We die at such a place; some swearing; some dying, some crying for a surgeon; ....some upon their wives left poor behind them; ...some upon the debts they owed; some upon their children rawly left. I am afeared there are few die well that die in battle..." KING HENRY V. ActIV.Scene i | |
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No brain activity after all life support systems have been removed. 
2:26 AM Jul 11