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| The Dragon King of Britain | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 20 2009, 04:45 PM (1,188 Views) | |
| hunter207 | May 20 2009, 04:45 PM Post #1 |
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Source So lets see if we cant get a lively debate going on this guy... Historically speaking he is a fascinating figure in British lore... took hundreds of warring factions and brought them all under one banner to drive off the Saxon invasion for seventy years (Proof of this can be found in the Saxon Chronicles... No mention of Arthur are there directly, but the Saxons actually dont take on any major invasions of the british isles for over seventy years...) So my question to you is a real figure, or just a figment of the British medieval imagination? If yes, then what do you think happened to him? Facts to remember: -Hundreds of different kingdoms were under constant warfare in the 6th century. -the saxons did indeed invade, then quite suddenly stopped their advance and in fact withdrew south. -The warring factions, who absolutely hated each other, suddenly came together to fight off the saxons... how is this possible when not even the Irish could do that at that time? (Except for King Johns botched invasion of Ireland in the 12th century, of course) Tell me what you think!
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| Max | May 22 2009, 10:50 AM Post #2 |
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IMHO, I believe there was an Uther and Arthur Pendragon,that Arther defeated or withstood the Saxons,and that he and his- Knights? Cataphacts? Heavy Cavalry?-were quite a striking force in early Briton. Excaliber? Seems unlikely that it had magic power,but if were of sufficiently fine make...... Lady of the Lake? A very romantic notion,and an appealing one. Morgana Le Fae? Not as "sorceress" perhaps,but as symbol of a culture that worshipped a Goddess or Goddesses? So....could Arthur have been a Roman-trained Heavy Cavalryman,with a talent for diplomacy as well as war? I think so. |
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| hunter207 | May 22 2009, 04:49 PM Post #3 |
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What about camelot... where do you think it was? |
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| Max | May 22 2009, 04:57 PM Post #4 |
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You know,that's a good question. Usually,they built fortresses and castles because they needed to hold what was there. If you had a Cavalry force,you'd need grazing plus food for your soldiers and families. I'd have to look at some maps,but Wales or somewhere close that had defensible terrain. |
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| hunter207 | May 23 2009, 04:54 AM Post #5 |
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I also do believe they really did have a stone castle... look at the romans, their fortresses were made of stone... |
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| Max | May 23 2009, 05:36 AM Post #6 |
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I agree. I know tradition says Glastonbury Tor is "Camelot",but I'm not ready to say either way. Sounds like we share similar opinions of Arther,huh?
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| hunter207 | May 23 2009, 07:02 AM Post #7 |
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haha yessir... I've done a ton of research on this guy, and I think I've come up with a better picture of him... |
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| Ashley Star Child | May 23 2009, 04:47 PM Post #8 |
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I think he was a real person |
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| Max | May 23 2009, 04:55 PM Post #9 |
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Hi Ashley. I bet most of us here believe Arthur existed. The legend is just too.............real? not to be based on something!
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| Ashley Star Child | May 23 2009, 05:50 PM Post #10 |
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Hi Max, yeah I think there's no doubt about it |
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| hunter207 | May 24 2009, 09:53 AM Post #11 |
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Welcome Ashley! |
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| hunter207 | May 26 2009, 06:22 AM Post #12 |
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So through quite a bit of research I found something interesting... I found that Arthur is mentioned through out the Historia Brittonum and the Annales Cambria, but before he is mentioned as king of Britain he is mentioned as a great warrior... which got me thinking, and I think he was not born to a king but born small and fought his way to being king... possibly as a hired sword to kings who want him to fight... |
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| Max | May 26 2009, 02:15 PM Post #13 |
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Interesting! Cambria is Wales now.....makes ,e think maybe Arthur was a Roman or Roman-descendant Cavalry officer.......... |
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| hunter207 | May 26 2009, 02:37 PM Post #14 |
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Roman descendent, Rome fell about 150 years before... Arthur was born around 500 AD |
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| Max | May 26 2009, 02:43 PM Post #15 |
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OK,that makes sense. I'm thinking a strong core of late-Imperial combat tactics,weapons,and armor. That would make them different then the Saxons and such,probably impressively so. |
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