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10 Reasons to Believe in the Paranormal; A Metaphysical Approach
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10/. If the Universe is infinite, then, by the 'laws' of probability, the 'para' normal will exist somewhere.........why not here?


Can you verify the law for me?

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No I can't 'B???', but, if the Universe is infinite and if you face facts, we pathetic humans don't know if it is or it isn't, we only think that we may, then according to the laws of probability, no matter how miniscule the ratio, anything is possible and will happen......one day.........somewhere.

I challenge you to prove me wrong..........in a nice sort of way of course. "eat" (sorry, I couldn't help myself! :) )
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Part of the Law or Theory of Probability. If there is any probability whatsoever that something can happen, that something will happen at some point in time somewhere.
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Thanks Larry, that's what I was thinking. If the Universe is in fact infinite (an unknown), then anything is possible. It seems to me that our current 'understanding' of the size of the Universe is limited by the time that it takes light to reach the Earth, on which we base our calculations. If light hasn't had time to 'reach' here yet, then who knows what lies outside of the current 'boundaries' that we have established and how large the macrocosm really is?
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The very concept of "infinite" can't really be grasped, at least by my mind. Endless, on and on. There are no "edges" or "handles" to grasp.

But you certainly are right concerning the speed of light, and the real possibility that light from far away enough locations would just not have arrived as of now.

Another thing to keep in mind, is that those things called stars are not really, physically, where they appear to be. What we can see is only where they were when the light from them which we now see was emitted oh so long ago. As I like to say, we see them where they were when. Taking that wee fact into consideration, we see little indeed, and astronomers make great leaps into theory with little in the way of real knowledge.
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I like your, "we see them where they were when." analogy. That's the way I see it too, so, I have a tricky question for you.

There is some really unsound math in this thought but I'm simply trying to conceptualize.

If man could travel at say three times the speed of light, would it be a form of time travel?

To me, if we could travel that fast, then if we travelled to a designated Star at this rate,
from the Star's 'perspective', we would be travelling from the past to the present.

Also, it takes approximately 8.32 minutes for the Sun's light to reach the Earth dependent on the position in the elliptical orbit. If one assumed, that we could instantaneously leave Earth at this rate travel to the Sun and round it to return, working on the assumption that the 'slingshot effect' would cater for the time taken to round the Sun through increased speed, then, one would arrive back at Earth approximately 2.78 minutes before one left, from a sunlight 'perspective'. Does this mean that we would have travelled into the past, say from a plant's growth 'perspective', as it would have had less sunlight to photosynthesize? "don't know"

Any thoughts? :hypnotized: :biggrin:





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It makes for good science fiction. The thing to remember in all of these "theories" is that supposed "evidence" for them can't be physically measured. Newton's equation, F=MA can be directly measured by physical means. Almost nothing in any theory astronomers come up with can be directly measured. The "red shift", which is the basis for an expanding universe assumes that there is nothing between here on Earth, and the star which emitted that light eons ago which we just now are seeing, which would cause such a "red shift". Mighty big assumption, to my way of thinking.

In fact, the great theory of the "big bang" can easily be falsified, by simple Newtonian physics, physical law which has been demonstrated time after time to produce consistant results by way of physical and direct measurement. But a person would have to be able to grasp and comprehend the "we see them where they were when" thingy, and I have found that astronomers would much rather argue about that of which there is no way of measuring physically and directly, than heed simple and well demonstrated laws of physics.

Of course, the falsification itself would depend on the validity, if any, of the "red shift" theory, and that those stars were actually that distance away from where Earth is now when the light we see now was emitted.

For some odd reason, my mind can envision this sort of thing, envisioning objects in space as well as in time, and put the two of them together. Oh well, I make no bones about it that I am a very strange person indeed.
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Science fiction is right! :lol:

Larry, from the sounds of it, I don't think that your perceptual abilities are strange, I would suggest that they are more instinctual. People who are somewhat different from the 'norm', I think, are not strange, they are simply a little more unique than others and perhaps, a little more 'in touch' with the world around us. Just my thought of course.

I also doubt the theory of the "Big Bang", there are too many anomalies, e.g., the perceived expansion rate of the Universe, so the theorists create 'constructs' such as dark matter to help explain them away. The fact of the matter is, that we really, simply, don't know the full picture, I would suggest only portions of it, based on our limited perceptions.
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7/. We have 'auras' that either 'connect' or don't with others, which has nothing to do with pheromones.

A study I've been working on.....

I believe life continues on simply in another form after death. Whether that be pure energy or through yet another human shell, who knows, but one day we will all know I suppose.

I tend to believe that the earth, the universe, and all lifeforms derive from an infinite motion of energy. Clairvoyance, Deja Vu, etc. are all more acceptable to me this way. We as humans have a magnetic field that reacts and interacts very tightly with our own planets magnetic field. There is a section of the pineal gland which is extremely sensitive to electromagnetic fields.

I've been doing a lot of reading recently on E.L.F. (extremely low frequencies). Our own consciousness is fueled by a system of direct current which is positively charged by electricity. Very weak frequencies within E.L.F. spawn a sensitive reaction in our brain. Electromagnetic fields and etheric light work together with and exist in our own human DNA, mixed with genes and the genotype. This is one of the best designs ever created.

The human body as we know it is a disintegrating vehicle for the data that led to its coming into existence. The transfer of this when the body expires is what truly intrigues me.

Etheric light has a geometric structure which can be examined in the magnitude of our physical human body since it is simply energy with dynamic vibrations. Our planets act on infinite motion, as well as the stars, our universe, and universes we have yet to discover, solely due to etheric energy.

There isn't a single person who doesn't have the ability to see the etheric energy fields that house matter. Our societies have brainwashed us to ignore this by "educating" us to believe in only what we can see without thought. The optical ability is there to see the etheric light and color that surrounds all people and all things in nature. There is nothing religious or divine about this....at least in my beliefs.

Multiple energy centers are found within our etheric energy fields. Again, we all can see this. The most common method is to train your peripheral vision to see the light and colors of etheric fields.

I go back to saying that I am more curious as to where this goes and what it is transferred to once our human bodies expire. This energy IS transferred. Basic resonance study will tell you that.

I've also been studying the affects and origins of positive and negative ions in the air we breath everyday. In fact Ryan turned me onto this and now we incorporate ion research into our paranormal studies. Lot's more to study for sure, but based on the data gathered from field tests, there is definitely a relation between the ions and electromagnetic fields in the air with a slight possibility of radio frequencies being grouped in that relation as well.

Most likely we as human beings are too eager, or not eager enough, to have faith in the belief that personal awareness continues after the human body expires. A lot of people underestimate the validation from credible research for life after death, blinding themselves by not allowing their own beliefs to welcome the possibility of how uncanny the most credible experiences are.

Then there is the other side of the coin where people believe too much thus throwing out any if not all alternative explanations. Point being, if we look at the many cases of data from presentations, whether that be cloaked or underlying linguistic or artistic phenomena, intense memory, or even the highly scrutinized psychic occurrences-----they are about as intriguing as the theory of survival and could possibly be more valid than the naysayers want to accept and believe.
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I agree with "thepitcrew" . I believe that society has brainwashed us into thinking that anything like empath skills, auras , etc. Are made for tthe "gifted" I think we all have abilities to see it or be intune with learning how too in other wards. We just are not being taught how to , so naturally those to whom believe or " train" their mind to learn it , therefore learn it . Like if you think about it . Being empath is just a person that perceives emotions and can read a persons energy a little more clearly then others. We are a good judge of character, but we all have this ability.

People like taking the easy road and if it is too hard they sometimes merely will not learn it . Or if anything isn't appropriate in our society we merely shy away from it rather then learning it . I believe we as humans should focus more on what ISN'T there as appose to what the naked eye can see, maybe perhaps we will be able to learn more about our own minds.
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I am myself one of those "empaths", and to a high degree. Thing is, if a person wants to have a life of their own, best figure out that only so much empathy can be afforded. Things I have done because of "empathy" you wouldn't believe. But . . . I could easily afford it at the time, and "at the time" is what really counts, I do think.

I am a sort of "old guy", and have been doing research for a long long time now. About many sorts of things. As long as I can remember, and I have distinct memories of when I was a "wee lad" (verified by my aged mother, who was most startled that I could remember so much detail from when I was just 2 years old.). No point in putting the results of that research before those who are committed to some "theory" or other, with said "theory" unable to be tested in any meaningful way, or even to be falsified.

Even here, when I have posted about my strange indeed experiences, the main response has been to try to talk me out of that experience . . . "if you were mistaken about this, then . . . . "

I am a very careful observer, and always have been so.

I do think, as of now (and not "believe") that at least some of us "human beings" are "spiritual" beings, having nothin other than a "human experience".

And this does make a lot of sense. Consider . . . a group of intelligent beings with infinite life. Well, another of my "theories" . . . that entertainment, by what ever name one would wish to call it . . . is as important to intelligent life as is having air to breath for us humans . . . or having food to eat . . . for our continued existance.

So then, what would beings of intelligence with infinite lives do? What do we humans do when we are bored beyond imagination? We figure out games to play, seek out those who can entertain us . . . perhaps, when younger, even go to one of those delightful things called an "amusement park". Perhaps, even make war on one another. Where the results of it all are unpredictable.

Now the reason that some folks like to ride a roller-coaster is because there is an illusion that the thing will go "off the track". If those sort of things often went "off the track" and people died often riding them, there would be no fun in riding them at all.

For intelligent beings with infinite lives who could choose to "live any life" they want to, and could select the "amusement park ride" they wished, what would be the entertainment value, were they to know the outcome of that "ride" in advance? There would be no amusement value that way at all. The value of amusement goes up with unpredictability, and drops dramatically with predictabilty. Some sitcoms on TV are well worth watching a second, or even a third time. Then, after that, the best of them get boring. Because the viewer knows absolutely what is going to happen. Gets "old" fast.

So, yes indeed, I do think that at least some of us "human beings" are "spiritual" beings, having an "E-ticket" ride in an "amusement park" of our choice.

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Some folks who post here would be more than a bit interesting to have a few drinks with, to lubricate a bit of ease with each other. would make for a most interesting evening . . . even unto the wishing hours, or is that witching hours? At least, perhaps, until the supply of alcoholic beverages ran out. :yahoo:
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thepitcrew: Howdy! :)

I haven't read into E.L.F. but I will now, thanks.
I've considered for some time now that the first law of thermodynamics (conservation of energy), assuming that it is correct, naturally applies to human beings as well. When we physically die, our corporeal bodies eventually return to the earth, in one form or another. But, what happens to the energy component of our beings at the moment of death, what is it translated into? I guess that the other issue also is, where does the seat of consciousness really lie? Is it purely physically based within our brains, or does it lie at a deeper level, somehow associated with the Universal energy field? Perhaps this is where it 'returns' too?
I personally think that we all 'resonate', (a form of 'interconnection' in a way), we know that the Earth hums, instinct tells me that we all do.

Emmie, I'm with you on societal expectation dampening our innate abilities that we are born with. If you think about the way that we are raised through societal 'education', most of it is usually focused, in the end, on materiality. If you move away from this 'path' then, normally, you are subject to ridicule and peer group condemnation and being gregarious by nature, most of us like to fit in, so we don't challenge ourselves with alternative considerations.
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Some folks who post here would be more than a bit interesting to have a few drinks with, to lubricate a bit of ease with each other. would make for a most interesting evening . . . even unto the wishing hours, or is that witching hours? At least, perhaps, until the supply of alcoholic beverages ran out. :yahoo:
"drunk friends" (that's you on the right in case you're wondering!)

Interesting theory Larry. I have an additional concept which might fit as well.

What if this world of ours is not only an 'amusement park' but also a 'school'? When new spiritual beings come into existence, if they do, where are they 'trained' to experience full on emotion? The 'highs' and 'lows' of human emotion are hormonally driven, as I understand it.
I'm assuming that an incorporeal being, without hormones, would not experience the piquancy or poignancy that we do during physical life, so perhaps it's a way of experientially teaching them?

p.s. If you run out of alcoholic beverages...........I know a good liquor store. :yes:
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Could well be that as well, Christopher.

I have always wondered at the concept of the mind. Not the physical brain, but the mind itself. I can easily design structures in my mind, which always work out well in practice. No need for physical plans to be created. Those mental plans actually have existence, seeming to come from nothing at all, but I don't really think that they could come from nothing at all. The mind is rather an amazing thing.

Considering the "sum of the parts" thing here. It seems obvious to me that we are a good deal more than the sum of our physical parts. When our physical parts disintegrate, what becomes of that "excess", the mind? It certainly has existence.
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