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| LarryOldtimer | Dec 13 2009, 06:04 PM Post #31 |
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It also seems to me that the "conservation of energy" thingy isn't true either. The lateen sail, that allows a ship to sail "into the wind" was not know in western civilization in Sir Isaac Newton's time. Had it been known in Sir Isaac Newton's time, it would be quite interesting what he would have had to say about that. Newton was a careful observer, and accepted what he observed as real. Draw a picture of a boat sailing "into the wind". Show all the forces acting. Where is the component of force which acts to "push" the boat into the direction where there is no force that could do so? Math and physics I know of says that energy is being created when a boat sails "into the wind", or when an airplane flys. People of "faith", modern scientists won't hear anything of the kind, of course. I might add that a theory of fluid dynamics wasn't known in Sir Isaac Newton's time. His laws, first, second and third are about only thermodynamics, and nothing else. That is why he called them laws of thermodynamics. It wasn't until the middle of the 18th Century that the most brilliant Daniel Bournulli produced his principal of fluid dynamics. Careful, I am getting a bit heretical here. But it is fun to be sure. |
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| Christopher | Dec 13 2009, 06:32 PM Post #32 |
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This is a good one Larry, as they always are. I'm going to research this for a while before I respond. As for Newton, I suspect that he was far closer to the 'truth' than some people give him credit for these days. Heretical? I disagree, 'explorers' aren't heretics, they are 'discoverers', but that's another whole topic. |
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| Christopher | Dec 13 2009, 09:01 PM Post #33 |
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Been thinking about this one for a while Larry. I don't have the physics expertise (haven't studied it since high school) to discuss why lateen sails etc. 'work'. So, I'm going to approach this from a different angle. To think that we understand as much as we think that we do is a pure fallacy, Planet WASP-18b is a good example of this. I was going to throw Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle into the mix as well, but that seems to be a little cliched these days, so instead, I'll post two of my thoughts. Humankind's general belief that science represents absolute 'truth', is the ultimate definition of self-delusion. Hubris is one of humankind's greatest and saddest failings. There is so much 'out there' that we don't understand, yet we still try to fool ourselves that we do. Personally, in a metaphorical sense, I don't think that we have gotten past the 'flat earth thinking stage' yet. |
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| LarryOldtimer | Dec 14 2009, 06:49 PM Post #34 |
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Christopher, I have had formal college training in chemistry, physics, and math, lots of math, and have attended "prvate sector" sessions (mostly by IBM, their trying to lease their software, but they did have to explain quite thoroughly the theories of that software which is where most of their income came from "way back then"). I have also done a huge amount of research on many subjects. Research can indeed be so much fun. I am a professional civil engineer in CA, and have been so since 1967. I have designed or been in responsible charge of a good many costly and complex civil engineering projects. Loved it, when I was "allowed" to do it. I found that there were essentially two types of professors in college . . . those who thought that their job was to "teach and lecture", and those who thought that their job was to motivate their students to learn. And comprehend. Not just to memorize the formulas, but to comprehend the "science" behind those formulas. Fortunately, I had most of the latter sort. Learning and comprehending is a whole lot of work, but oh, so much fun, at least it is for me. |
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| Christopher | Dec 14 2009, 11:36 PM Post #35 |
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Larry, I stand in respect of you, comprehension comes through questioning, not dictation, which is a major failing of the human race. I led a lot of people in my job roles overseas, which included death threats, my ex-wife being threatened with a knife at her throat by two young men, watch dogs being poisoned, one of our expatriates being stabbed through the heart by a pimp because he was involved with his prostitute girlfriend, one of my manager's wives, who was very intelligent, hanging herself at their farm in New Zealand, to be found by one of their young children, because her estranged husband Malcolm was working in Papua New Guinea with the Company that I was managing up there at the time. Apart from all of the difficulties up there and elsewhere, and there were many more, I still have never lost my belief that challenging, questioning, caring for and respecting people is the best path to knowledgeable growth. |
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| LarryOldtimer | Dec 15 2009, 05:43 PM Post #36 |
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I would agree with you on the last sentence but . . . When science becomes no more than a religion, which can't be questioned, who is there to respect? Criticize with rational scientific argument one of the many and rather obviously incorrect assumptions involved in the Anthropogenic Global Warming speculation, incorrect from the standpoint of many accepted scientific theories, laws and principles, and the response will be no more than a mantra, along with the complaint that "you" don't have the "right" paper credentials. When the term "denier" is used scathingly, you can make book on it that it is a religion. You have been a dedicated man, Christopher. Many of us "old guys" were like that. I stand in respect of you also. |
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| khproject | Feb 10 2011, 02:18 AM Post #37 |
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Nice list of insights. Thanks. |
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| GRAVEYARD HOUND | Feb 6 2012, 10:40 AM Post #38 |
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"Nice list", some I agree with, some I think don't even belong on the list. Not quite sure where you got the info. but I'd like to see the name of the source. |
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