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| Regional Constitution; just a thought | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 4 2004, 11:02 AM (1,206 Views) | |
| Beestonia | Oct 30 2004, 11:04 PM Post #31 |
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I fully support the idea of a regional constitution. I think it could be quite healing and bring the nations of The Exodus together. The initiative might wake some of our nations up from inactivity. As Avolon said, this will avoid a crisis if another divisive issue arises in the future. -The Federation of Beestonia Diplomat of The Exodus. |
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| Joshua | Oct 31 2004, 08:38 PM Post #32 |
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After much thought I think we need a consitution. We should have an introduction that states the ideals of our region. We should have a section outlining the duties of the various government positions. A section on endorsement swapping. A section on the basic rules that nations must follow. Sort of a bill of rights. A section on how to deal with troublemakers. This could also be a section on the court. This is what I have for now. :):) Lets get this going. :):) |
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| Avolon | Oct 31 2004, 08:53 PM Post #33 |
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I concur and applaud your efforts AA. The region is at a size now, that we need some basic laws and structure. For moral and ethical guide lines.
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| Bernerbear | Nov 1 2004, 07:51 AM Post #34 |
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A constitution just makes it sooooo much easier to deal with ordeals such as pangea's also.... I too agree with you, AA, and think that this is something that will make our region more efficient... |
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| Joshua | Nov 1 2004, 08:48 AM Post #35 |
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It took me a while to wise up. ![]() Many people thought this was a great idea and I finally wised up, and realized that we need a constitution. |
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| Azozamu | Nov 1 2004, 04:33 PM Post #36 |
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A constitution would really help my ministry and the court. |
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| rouyn | Nov 1 2004, 04:35 PM Post #37 |
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I think we should have a constitution. It should give the basic rule and law here. It also should represent our morality and standing. I say we should start working on it all togheter asap. Rouyn |
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| skygaard | Nov 12 2004, 01:32 AM Post #38 |
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I am all for a constitution as well |
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| Eastern Aotra | Nov 17 2004, 03:08 PM Post #39 |
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So what does everyone think should be included? Should we base it on say America's or perhaps the one at the begining? Now that the senate is pretty much up and running, we need something for them to work on/with.
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| Rael One | Nov 18 2004, 10:07 AM Post #40 |
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It appears that all the poster in this forum are interested or think that the Drafting of some sort of constitution would be in order. I also agree that a constitution is necessary for a growing region established on Democratic Principles. It provides a framework for growth, mutual protection and participative government. However it does has a number of pitfalls and consideration. It looks as though some work on this issue has already been done: Pangeaa - Aug 18 2004, 11:58 PM – Provided a great foundation for a government it could be used in the development of a constitution. Royun Sep 22 2004, 11:43 PM – provided additional considerations which could also be used in the development of a constitution. The views and contributions of Avenging Angels, Eastern Aotra, Pangeaa, Ahimsan Islands, Azozamu express interest and additional considerations. So what’s next, in my humble opinion, I would suggest that a Constitional Committee (ConCom I), be formed, a draft Constition be wriiten and discussed a final draft be written, and this draft be presented to All Regional Nations (the participating members) for discussion and a Vote be taken. This may be a time consuming and hotly debated affair, but the final results will be a Constitution which will endure. (It is normally easier to contact me, if necessary, via PM rather than TG, My Rael is only checked to address issues.) |
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| Joshua | Nov 18 2004, 12:46 PM Post #41 |
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I agree that a committee maybe a good way to go. I also agree that the final draft should be voted on by the region. Here is what I came up with for a basic outline of what to include: We should have an introduction that states the ideals of our region. basically this would be a premable. We should have a section outlining the duties of the various government positions. A section on endorsement swapping. A section on the basic rules that nations must follow. Sort of a bill of rights. A section on how to deal with troublemakers. This could also be a section on the court. A section on how legislation gets passed. |
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| Avolon | Nov 18 2004, 12:49 PM Post #42 |
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This is a good start AA, congratulations!
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| Rael One | Nov 18 2004, 02:00 PM Post #43 |
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A A I agree with your idea, also. Addressing all the issues and principles, rules and guidelines and provide a method of addressing violations. There should also be something about provisions for admendments. Thing do change, so it should have a way be flexible. R O |
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| Joshua | Nov 18 2004, 04:28 PM Post #44 |
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Good point, we should include a section on ammendents and how we would do that. |
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| Rael One | Nov 18 2004, 04:45 PM Post #45 |
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May be something on the order of: Upon the vote of --% of the Senate or a vote of -- % of some other body, a provision of this constitution may be revised,modified,revoked or added. Once amended the constitution is so changed. A part of the constitution which is unclear, unworkable or for any number of reasons can be changed. This proposed change to be effective has to be ratified by a designinated number of votes. - For expample: A senatorial candidate has to have 60 days of forum participation before they can run. -< that's the constitutional rule But you find that all members who qualify are already senators, so there are no qualified candidates. Since you cannot violate the constitution you have to admend it An admentment could lower that standard to 45 days. |
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| Bernerbear | Nov 18 2004, 09:55 PM Post #46 |
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I like that concept. |
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| Rael One | Nov 18 2004, 11:37 PM Post #47 |
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Bernerbear There is a lot of work already done by member of this Region. It is a matter of piecing it together. But there are still some areas to cover? Have anything to add. A comment to make It is all discussion at this point. RO |
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| Rael One | Nov 19 2004, 09:27 AM Post #48 |
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I have found in my journeys, An example of a constitution used by an active Region, which might serve as an example to work from. However, it is quite long, and before it is presented. I would like to know if it should be placed here or a copy be PM'd or Emailed first to someone for review. Please PM me, on the way to proceed. R O |
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| Eastern Aotra | Nov 19 2004, 11:56 AM Post #49 |
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The best thing to is to put a link in a post so any that want to check out the other constitutions can do it on their own and it won't take too much space on our board. Also about the concept of amendments, I think it should be the standard 2/3 vote of the region, not just the senate. It would be better, that way everyone has a say in the process, also we should keep in tact the timelines we use other elections. One other thing I'd to see included (SITWAP ) would be definitions of who does what in the region. From Founder down to the newest nation.
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| Rael One | Nov 19 2004, 01:04 PM Post #50 |
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Unfortunately I do not have a link available. I have PM'd it to you. |
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| Rael One | Nov 19 2004, 02:04 PM Post #51 |
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This is an example of an actual NationStates Region’s Constitution - this region is active and secure – but has it’s own problems as well. This may be an Idea and staring point for The Exodus Constitution. At the least food for thought.
Well there it is, I realize that the positions and organization are different from what we enjoy here, but the form may be a very good start. What do you think? These are the rules and the principles, which will establish a change in the government of The Exodus. Your opinions and comments are extremely important. Please speak as freely on this issues, as you alway have done. |
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| Bernerbear | Nov 19 2004, 05:36 PM Post #52 |
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I feel it would give to much room for someone to do spam and such, but many parts of it I think could be applied well to our region. |
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| Joshua | Nov 19 2004, 06:33 PM Post #53 |
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We would have to adapt all of the government stuff to fit how we do things here. I would say we need to incluide a section on the senate and how that works and about the speaker of nations who heads up the senate. Do we need a cabinet section? I suppose our cabinet would be the two ministers, the diplomat, and sec of state. The council sounds like our senate I suppose. I also do not see the need for a pirme minister since we do not have one and I do not see the point of a grand assembly. Here is how I see our government outline in the consitution: 1. Founder 2. UN delegate 3. Diplomat 4 Secretary of State 5. Minister of Foreign Relations (this may include his duties along with the RPA) 6. Minister of Internal Affairs (under this we would include the court, since azzy hjeads the court, and I lkike the idea of having the minister of interal affairs head the court up) 7. Senate (including role, speaker of the nations, and anything else that is applicable) |
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| Bernerbear | Nov 19 2004, 06:42 PM Post #54 |
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how do we elect a speaker of the nations? |
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| Eastern Aotra | Nov 19 2004, 07:18 PM Post #55 |
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I believe we're going to pick the speaker from the elected senators...primary job will be to keep the senate moving and call for a vote and sign what has been voted into law or veto it...then if it's vetoed it will go to all of the nations for a vote. |
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| Rael One | Nov 20 2004, 09:04 AM Post #56 |
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All Ideas and suggestions, posted up to this point have been recorded. They will be organized in to catagories for future discussion. Updated results will be posted (by 11/21/04),as an edit to the example constitution post. When this form changes pages I will post a new link to the example constitution post. Will make it easier to review. Please continue. ____________________________________________________________________ added 11-21-04 Thank you all, for your thoughts and insights. The majority of nations who have spoken here have agreed a Constitution would be a good idea. Most thought the example was fine, but included things that were not relevent. Concern was expressed about Endorsement swapping, and Spam. Some talked about the model and framework of a constitution. I received input from AA and other Officals. I am now in the process of writing a first draft constitution which more closely fits The Exodus. It will then be made available for further review by concerned parties. I expect to have this First draft ready by Friday 11/26/04. Please continue providing your thoughts and ideas. Remember this document will be the rule of law for The Exodus. Your ideas are very important. |
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| Bernerbear | Nov 21 2004, 06:52 AM Post #57 |
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Guys, are we gong to add the role of head of intel to anyone's role, or do we not really need that? Also, I think that the diplomat appointed should be approved by the senate in a vote before he just starts working as the diplomat of our region. |
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| Eastern Aotra | Nov 22 2004, 10:54 AM Post #58 |
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Intel is under the Internal Affairs part of the government. As for the diplomat, it was written down in the begining so the delegate could have someone to work with that they trusted. Similar to an advisor, just as I am an advisor to AA. |
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| Azozamu | Nov 22 2004, 04:31 PM Post #59 |
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Damn straight. But I do have my informants... <_< |
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| peanutoil | Nov 22 2004, 04:49 PM Post #60 |
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Great work so far! Suggestions: Speaker of the Senate is picked by the Senators we will elect. Yes to outlawing SPAM, don't see what's wrong with Endorsement swapping? Anyone want to expand on why that would be bad? It seems like a freedom/choice each nation would want to possess. Maybe I'm not seeing the evil in it. Is the Founder going to act as an executive (ala the President) or a king? And if a king, is it just ceremonial or are there powers involved? Rael's constitution is great... let's focus on a Bill of Rights, courts for member nations, ways to amend the constitution, time frame for elections and procedures on how to remove politicians. Can we determine/reserve a day or two on the message boards to discuss each piece individually? Like this Thursday and Friday will be discussions on the Bill of Rights, followed on next Monday and Tuesday with a discussion of the rights and responsibilities of the Senate? |
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) would be definitions of who does what in the region. From Founder down to the newest nation.

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